Just saying

[scott5]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1203_2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_vs_2012_ford_mustan g_boss_302_laguna_seca/

[travj31]

Scott... you know the haters are just going to say for $7000 difference in price, they would put a supercharger on the Boss and be faster than the Camaro!

[Troll]

That's right... for once the Ford nut-swingers can cry the same tune the GM nut-swingers have been chanting for 9 years

"Put a supercharger on our car and see what happens"

:rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol:

[sutyak]

That's right... for once the Ford nut-swingers can cry the same tune the GM nut-swingers have been chanting for 9 years

"Put a supercharger on our car and see what happens"

:rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol: :rollingfloorrlol:

Haha!! :yes:

Aside from that, 1:41 to 1:43. I'd say that was just one wide curve by the driver.
That's crazy close.

[Mark Aubele]

Meh. One look at the times M+T have gotten at Laguna Seca (I know they didn't test these cars there) in the past raises suspicion for me at lease. These are the same guys who claimed the Boss outlapped the Z06, which obviously isn't happening. I will wait until Car and Driver has the ZL1 in the Lightning Lap they run at VIR each year.

That being said, both are incredible cars, and I would kill to have either, although I honestly do prefer the Boss. It isn't like the ZL1 is a slouch or anything, car goes under 8 minutes at the 'Ring, it is a world class sports car, no matter how maligned it is over the fact that it weighs 4000 lbs.




Aside from that, 1:41 to 1:43. I'd say that was just one wide curve by the driver.
That's crazy close.

2 seconds on a ~minute and half road course is huge.

[Hawkeye]

:popcorn:

[sutyak]

2 seconds on a ~minute and half road course is huge.

You're right. Goes to show my lack of road racing knowledge.
That's nearly 2% faster and would be around 158 feet between them. (lots of assumptions there)
But yeah I'm wrong. :slaphappy:

[PaxtonShelby]

I'll still take the Boss...or a 2013 GT500...

[NateSVT]

I'll still take the Boss...or a 2013 GT500...

+1

Let's see how it does against the GT500

[03 OW SVT]

I'll still take the Boss...or a 2013 GT500...

You said it Ron, I'll bet the 2013 GT500 will Wax Some ZL1 Ass.:sticktonge:

Just saying!

[Mark Aubele]

You're right. Goes to show my lack of road racing knowledge.
That's nearly 2% faster and would be around 158 feet between them. (lots of assumptions there)
But yeah I'm wrong. :slaphappy:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

[scott5]

I dont like either to tell ya the truth.. Give me a Z06 that does better at everything than all of them and I will be fine.

[speedracer]

I dont like either to tell ya the truth.. Give me a Z06 that does better at everything than all of them and I will be fine.
There is quite a price difference...

[scott5]

There is quite a price difference...

gt500 will be close.

[speedracer]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1203_2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_vs_2012_ford_mustan g_boss_302_laguna_seca/


http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/video/track-video-2012-ford-mustang-boss-302-laguna-seca

[Cam99]

I dont like either to tell ya the truth.. Give me a Z06 that does better at everything than all of them and I will be fine.

I need back seats, so not a big fan of the vette. I'd take a zl1 over the boss, the 13 gt500 might be a different story though:)

[Cam99]

Hey fire, meet fuel LOL. Ford to chicken to race a zl1 with the 13 gt500
http://jalopnik.com/5859957/the-shelby-gt500s-chicken-new-lincoln-mks-and-the-la-auto-show

[scott5]

Camaro chief claims ZL1 will outperform Shelby GT500

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/01/al-oppenehieser-camaro-zl1-.jpg

By John Neff
Posted Jan 20th 2012 2:00PM

It would seem on paper that the 2013 Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 should easily slay the heavier and less powerful 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1. The former weighs 3,850 pounds and brings 650 horsepower and 600 pound-feet of torque to the table, the latter carries 4,120 pounds and 580 hp/556 lb-ft.

Not so fast, says Camaro Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser (above). Speaking with Autoblog at an Arizona drive event for the Camaro ZL1, Oppenheiser told us, "We've done simulations. We predict that the ZL1 will be quicker to 60 than the [2013] GT500... We ran the Nürburgring and released a time. Ford took the GT500, too, and never released a time. I guess you can draw your own conclusions."

When asked point-blank if he thought the ZL1 would be quicker around the 'Ring, Oppenheiser replied, "No question."

Them sounds like fighting words, especially in the face of data that suggests the opposite is true. Remember, this is the same guy who told Mustang fans "you're welcome" for encouraging Ford to throw everything it can at the Camaro.

But we're not counting Oppenheiser among the crazy just yet. All that power generated by the GT500's supercharged 5.8-liter V8 will be for naught if it can't reach the ground without turning into tire vapor, and let's not forget that the Blue Oval's bomber is still dragging around a solid rear axle, compared to the all-independent suspension sporting third-generation Magnetic Ride shocks on the ZL1. And who's doing the driving can always be the great equalizer when talking 'Ring times.

We're still inclined to put our chips on the blue square, but nothing's certain until these two titans of Detroit meet head-to-head.

[speedracer]

Camaro chief claims ZL1 will outperform Shelby GT500

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/01/al-oppenehieser-camaro-zl1-.jpg

By John Neff
Posted Jan 20th 2012 2:00PM

It would seem on paper that the 2013 Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 should easily slay the heavier and less powerful 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1. The former weighs 3,850 pounds and brings 650 horsepower and 600 pound-feet of torque to the table, the latter carries 4,120 pounds and 580 hp/556 lb-ft.

Not so fast, says Camaro Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser (above). Speaking with Autoblog at an Arizona drive event for the Camaro ZL1, Oppenheiser told us, "We've done simulations. We predict that the ZL1 will be quicker to 60 than the [2013] GT500... We ran the Nürburgring and released a time. Ford took the GT500, too, and never released a time. I guess you can draw your own conclusions."

When asked point-blank if he thought the ZL1 would be quicker around the 'Ring, Oppenheiser replied, "No question."

Them sounds like fighting words, especially in the face of data that suggests the opposite is true. Remember, this is the same guy who told Mustang fans "you're welcome" for encouraging Ford to throw everything it can at the Camaro.

But we're not counting Oppenheiser among the crazy just yet. All that power generated by the GT500's supercharged 5.8-liter V8 will be for naught if it can't reach the ground without turning into tire vapor, and let's not forget that the Blue Oval's bomber is still dragging around a solid rear axle, compared to the all-independent suspension sporting third-generation Magnetic Ride shocks on the ZL1. And who's doing the driving can always be the great equalizer when talking 'Ring times.

We're still inclined to put our chips on the blue square, but nothing's certain until these two titans of Detroit meet head-to-head.
Nutswing now while you still can lol

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo331/02BigD/nutswinger1dy.gif

[scott5]

hahaha look at the pot calling the kettle black!

I didnt say anything. This is what other people are saying. I stated I dont want any of them.

[speedracer]

hahaha look at the pot calling the kettle black!

I didnt say anything. This is what other people are saying. I stated I dont want any of them.
Your a cheerleading for team ZL1 though...

[Stroked03Cobra]

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l574/Stroked03Cobra/379386_198565963562353_100002268518762_433677_1752 341671_n.jpg

[Stroked03Cobra]

Scott, I thought we were already through this! haha

[Stroked03Cobra]

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l574/Stroked03Cobra/379386_198565963562353_100002268518762_433677_1752 341671_n-1.jpg

[Stroked03Cobra]

Now thats much better!

[John4cam]

Scott wins the push the buttons award for 011/012...

[GEARHEAD94]

For 10,000 more than the ugly Camaro I would get a CTS-V 4 door sedan.

[PaxtonShelby]

I'd rather have the CTS-V coupe!! That's one sexy bee-yotch!!

[scott5]

I'd rather have the CTS-V coupe!! That's one sexy bee-yotch!!

X2 but for that price i was sitting in a zo6.. I think for the zo6 my payments were 10 dollars more a month

[PaxtonShelby]

I hear ya Scott, but our toys have to have 4 seats... Now if I could just squeeze 2 more seats into a Daytona coupe...

[scott5]

In that case grab the wagon that would even be more badass

[u1arunit]

In that case grab the wagon that would even be more badass

Absolutely! :goodidea:

[speedracer]

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/gl0422/Baghdad_Al_.jpg

[Cam99]

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l574/Stroked03Cobra/379386_198565963562353_100002268518762_433677_1752 341671_n-1.jpg

You ever think you would see the day when you saw a nearly 3900 pound pig and say, wow thats light. lol:sticktonge: 4000 is the new 3500

[u1arunit]

You ever think you would see the day when you saw a nearly 3900 pound pig and say, wow thats light. lol:sticktonge: 4000 is the new 3500

^^^ This!!!!!!! :goodidea:

[speedracer]

Motoramic Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 - YouTube

[Cam99]

Motoramic Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Nv7yLRjJo&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


I thought of you when I saw this video. Why would they put somebody that has never raced behind the wheel of their unreleased flagship camaro knowing it would be all over the internet:gay:

[speedracer]

I thought of you when I saw this video. Why would they put somebody that has never raced behind the wheel of their unreleased flagship camaro knowing it would be all over the internet:gay:

I'm sure with a non idiot behind the wheel it would be a second faster... Or a second slower with Cam driving :pepper:

[D-Rod]

I wonder what that thing would do with Greg "the stig" Lohr behind the wheel? Although I am a much inferior driver than Gregiepoo, I would like to give it a go in one.

[speedracer]

I wonder what that thing would do with Greg "the stig" Lohr behind the wheel? Although I am a much inferior driver than Gregiepoo, I would like to give it a go in one.
Go buy one and I'll drive it for you lol

[Cam99]

I'm sure with a non idiot behind the wheel it would be a second faster... Or a second slower with Cam driving :pepper:

now that hurts:yes: I just have problems when my excellence behind the wheels surpasses the stoutness of my car:goodidea:

[speedracer]

now that hurts:yes: I just have problems when my excellence behind the wheels surpasses the stoutness of my car:goodidea:
Would that be the 2-3 shift? :biglaugh:

[Cam99]

Would that be the 2-3 shift? :biglaugh:
only in the gt500 with the known crapo grinding tranny and the cobra once with a slipping 43k original clutch. Funny my gto never had a shifting issue. (Neither did my mach. 1 , but doesn't fit the argument) u will really be pissed when I best ur time in my bloated camaro :thmbsup:
And to be fair its been the 1-2 shift!

[speedracer]

only in the gt500 with the known crapo grinding tranny and the cobra once with a slipping 43k original clutch. Funny my gto never had a shifting issue. (Neither did my mach. 1 , but doesn't fit the argument) u will really be pissed when I best ur time in my bloated camaro :thmbsup:
And to be fair its been the 1-2 shift!

My T56 shifts flawlessly ;) I don't get pissed when someone runs a better time than me... Bring a car with the exact same setup as I do and let's see how things go :D

[Cam99]

My T56 shifts flawlessly ;) I don't get pissed when someone runs a better time than me... Bring a car with the exact same setup as I do and let's see how things go :D

I'll do it without a power adder
:D

[RogerStout]

I'd like to have one of those mustangs.. I need a new winter beater.. :)

[no1sirbutler]

Bring a car with the exact same setup as I do and let's see how things go :D

let me drive your car.....

[speedracer]

let me drive your car.....

Maybe... If dave would put plastic down I'd drive the Z

[no1sirbutler]

Wouldn't be the first cobra I'm driven down the track.....or even the first one off this board lol

[stevec5ws6]

I must say zl1 vs vette is not much choice vette hands down have to have 4 seats cts v as for a gt500 well hopefully they atleast make them look a little different when they add 100 hp

I also Wonder how the ride is the rough roads are where the IRS dominates

[D-Rod]

Maybe... If dave would put plastic down I'd drive the Z

You let me make a pass in your car and you make one in mine. We will see who the better driver is Mr. Stig. :)

[speedracer]

You let me make a pass in your car and you make one in mine. We will see who the better driver is Mr. Stig. :)

Sounds like a plan

[speedracer]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/406567_342155169149588_100000653239737_1148169_234 968860_n.jpg

[Cam99]

:boxing:This view will look familar:boxing:

[speedracer]

:boxing:This view will look familar:boxing:
Been drinking much magnetic ride cool aid???

[scott5]

Been drinking much magnetic ride cool aid???

:rofl:

[03 OW SVT]

:boxing:This view will look familar:boxing:

Yeah, to guys that drive Challengers, not us Mustang guys.:bouncy:

[Stroked03Cobra]

Geesh everybody is going wit the dual tip exhaust

[Cam99]

This thread has been dead for a while so here is a jolly good pic of a zl1

[Troll]

I'm very surprised nobody has seen and/or commented on this yet...

[speedracer]

I'm very surprised nobody has seen and/or commented on this yet...
God... that's the whole reason I posted it :woot1:

[speedracer]

12.5 lololol'z

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/pics-videos-buffet-149/843032-zl1-drag-performance-hennessey-performance.html

[03 OW SVT]

12.5 lololol'z

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/pics-videos-buffet-149/843032-zl1-drag-performance-hennessey-performance.html

Yeah that's pretty sad! Just saying!

[scott5]

Cars been 11.1s at 12x and dyno'd 518rwhp so far on a dynojet and did 508 on a mustang dyno. Both at around 8psi

[Cam99]

Cars been 11.1s at 12x and dyno'd 518rwhp so far

Don't rain on his parade. They have to be slow, they just have to be:hissyfit:

[scott5]

looks like its alil more than a gt500
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25864

And if you take in the 15% drivetrain loss that puts around 595 crank on dynojet and around 578 on the mustang dyno.

Whats the new gt500 run right out of showroom?

[scott5]

Don't rain on his parade. They have to be slow, they just have to be:hissyfit:

haha... Hey I seen yesterday you had new wheels on the camaro. Were your stock ones polished by chance?

[speedracer]

looks like its alil more than a gt500
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25864

And if you take in the 15% drivetrain loss that puts around 595 crank on dynojet and around 578 on the mustang dyno.

Whats the new gt500 run right out of showroom?
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/videos/01/mm-ff-2011-shelby-gt500-dyno-test/6240/index.html

Some 2010 results

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/gl0422/6a6d255f.jpg

[speedracer]

looks like its alil more than a gt500
http://www.steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25864


That car is not stock and who knows what issues it may have

[speedracer]

Cars been 11.1s at 12x

Lol not stock it hasn't



and dyno'd 518rwhp so far on a dynojet and did 508 on a mustang dyno. Both at around 8psi
This ZL1 made 467

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jnMigxDYZc

[Cam99]

Lol not stock it hasn't



This ZL1 made 467

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jnMigxDYZc

How much time in a given day do you spend searching for shelby hero times/hp and the slowest zl1 times/hp? Chevy should get a pfa against you:rotflol:

[Cam99]

haha... Hey I seen yesterday you had new wheels on the camaro. Were your stock ones polished by chance?

midnight silver. they are for sale if you know anybody

[speedracer]

How much time in a given day do you spend searching for shelby hero times/hp and the slowest zl1 times/hp? Chevy should get a pfa against you:rotflol:
Well I'm waiting for some hero to drive a ZLfail... so far after a few tests and performance shops taking them to the track 12.5-12.9 in the 116-117mph range seems the norm. GM said it would go 12.1@119

[Stangman701]

midnight silver. they are for sale if you know anybody

I might be interested in the wheels Cam. Would they come with tires? If so, how's the tread on the tires?

[Cam99]

I might be interested in the wheels Cam. Would they come with tires? If so, how's the tread on the tires?

The fronts are complete with the stock pirelli's with excellent tread, the rears have no tires. I used the 275/40/20's from the back on the new wheels, however the tps sensors are still mounted on the rims and I have lugs, so all you need are a set of back tires. I bought a set of haida z rated tires from kings tire for the front new rims and they were only 135 a piece. I am going to put them on craigslist for 750, but I'd sell them to a board member for 650. The rims are excellent, no rash or anything. They are also the midnight silver color because my car is an RS, so they are a little nicer than the plain silver on the non-RS cars.

[Cam99]

Lol not stock it hasn't



This ZL1 made 467

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jnMigxDYZc

Upper, cai, tune, skinnys, drag radials. We can certainly agree these are common mods that alot of zl1's will have, just like cobra's do. Not at atco either! lol
http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-race-to-the-10s-23325.html

[speedracer]

Upper, cai, tune, skinnys, drag radials. We can certainly agree these are common mods that alot of zl1's will have, just like cobra's do. Not at atco either! lol
http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-race-to-the-10s-23325.html
That's not bad for all thats done but I still must ask why they are a lot slower than GM says they are supposed to be stock?

[Cam99]

That's not bad for all thats done but I still must ask why they are a lot slower than GM says they are supposed to be stock?

I'm sure some faster stock times will come out now that the cars are being delivered. The auto that hennessy has shows a terrible drop in HP around 4500 rpm on the dyno sheet they posted, so maybe gm has a crap tune in it that's pulling a bunch of timing at higher rpm? I dunno. The reality is in the gt500 - zl1 wars at this time, the gt500 is always going to be much harder to beat because of the forged motor. The zl1 guys are going to have to rebuild forged if they really want to try and be king of the hill IMHO

[scott5]

I have also seen stock gt500s run 13s does that mean they are 13sec cars? And that gt500 that i posted is a real car and just because its a low dyno meams something is wrong? Not sayin there isnt something. Just saying.. And lingerfelter did the dyno run at 518 amd 508.. Will post the sheets an vid when i get home

[Stangman701]

The fronts are complete with the stock pirelli's with excellent tread, the rears have no tires. I used the 275/40/20's from the back on the new wheels, however the tps sensors are still mounted on the rims and I have lugs, so all you need are a set of back tires. I bought a set of haida z rated tires from kings tire for the front new rims and they were only 135 a piece. I am going to put them on craigslist for 750, but I'd sell them to a board member for 650. The rims are excellent, no rash or anything. They are also the midnight silver color because my car is an RS, so they are a little nicer than the plain silver on the non-RS cars.

They'd look great on my G8, but after some searching it seems like I'd need a different size tire to fit my car. The whole reason I was interested in a wheel/tire deal since I'll need tires soon anyways. So I'll have to pass. GLWS :thumbsup:

[Cam99]

zl1 in the 10's
http://www.camaro5.com/first-zl1-to-crack-into-10-second-quarter-mile-1079-13436-mph

[cam303]

hmmm.....wonder what a modified gt500 runs like on race fuel??????

[Cam99]

hmmm.....wonder what a modified gt500 runs like on race fuel??????

hmmmmm....wonder what a modified turbo civic runs on race fuel. Fast , just like the gt500 and zl1:pinkthumb:

[cam303]

You think a civic is fast?? This might be part of the problem!! :sticktonge:

[Cam99]

You think a civic is fast?? This might be part of the problem!! :sticktonge:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda--Civic-Drag-Racing.html
Live in your small world if you choose

[Martin0660]

Chevy should get a pfa against you:rotflol:

Now that's funny right there...

[scott5]

hmmm.....wonder what a modified gt500 runs like on race fuel??????

no body knows because they havent been down the track yet:yes:

[Cam99]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV7wBqYuzhM&feature=youtu.be
no mod list on this one which is gay

[scott5]

Says the video is private.. Is that Redlines Zl1 running 10.3s?

[Cam99]

Says the video is private.. Is that Redlines Zl1 running 10.3s?

yes it was

[speedracer]

2012 Chevy ZL1 Camaro Delivery Radley Chevrolet Washington - YouTube


The best features on the car are the CF hood insert... the concept wheels and the huge spoiler for the downforce. :gay:

[no1sirbutler]

Wow......how does that thing move with all that downforce from that wing........

[scott5]

ooooohhhh yyyyeeeeaaaaa lmao hahaha

[Mark Aubele]

What a douche.

[03 OW SVT]

2012 Chevy ZL1 Camaro Delivery Radley Chevrolet Washington - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5yBqW3rjOQ&feature=bf_next&list=HL1335572262)


The best features on the car are the CF hood insert... the concept wheels and the huge spoiler for the downforce. :gay:

That car will be wrapped around a tree in a couple wks anyway.

[speedracer]

That car will be wrapped around a tree in a couple wks anyway.
^^^ Agreed... he don't seem to know a thing about what makes the the car special, only what he thinks makes it look cool. Should have been like Cam and stuck with a SS:rofl:

[speedracer]

Press Release

DEARBORN, Mich., April 26, 2012, — The all-new supercharged 5.8-liter powerplant in the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 has been officially SAE-certified as the most powerful series production V8 in the world with peak output of 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque. That’s more power and torque than low volume sports cars costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the GT500, which is the most fuel-efficient vehicle in its segment. In fact the 2013 GT500 is the most fuel-efficient car with over 550 horsepower in any segment available in America.

Unlike high-strung engines found in much more expensive exotic supercars, the GT500 engine generates its massive thrust throughout its operating range with 395 lb.-ft. of torque available just off idle at 1,000 rpm. More than 90 percent of the peak torque is available from 2,200 to 5,800 rpm so that no matter when you squeeze the go pedal, the GT500 will just get up and run.

The combination of the new TVS 2.3-liter supercharger, twin overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder ensures this stallion can breathe all the way to 7,000 rpm with the peak power production coming at 6,500 rpm and holding fairly steady right to the rev limit.

“Our goal is to create outstanding all-around performance cars, not just stoplight-to-stoplight sprinters,” said Jamal Hameedi, SVT chief engineer. “We’ve backed up this amazing powerplant with a more refined chassis tuning that helps keep the rubber on the pavement without punishing the driver’s spine and six-pot Brembo brakes that dissipate speed with ease stop after stop.”

The broad, flat torque curve of the GT500 engine makes it tractable and easy to drive whether trolling along in traffic or powering out of a turn on a twisting country road. With more than enough grunt to push the coupe to 200 mph and beyond, the chassis has been tuned to absorb the road imperfections that can cause instability at high speeds. The revised front fascia and splitter help manage the flow of air around and under the GT500 so that it offers 33 percent more effective aero loading at 160 mph compared to the 2011 model and feels more firmly planted.

“The engineers at Ford SVT focused on the fundamentals first with solid mechanical grip and strong brakes,” added Hameedi. “On top of that platform they added advanced driver-adjustable electronic assist features including launch control, Bilstein adjustable damping, AdvanceTrac (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=6000&type=2&ext=150799224990&item=150799224990) stability control and electric power-assisted steering.”

Even with the most powerful production V8 in the world, the 2013 Shelby GT500 improves on the fuel efficiency of the 2012 model with an EPA-estimated 15 mpg city, 24 mpg highway and 18 mpg combined with no gas guzzler tax. That’s 5 mpg better on the highway than the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro (http://www.auto-price-finder.com/welcome?id=275&admake=chevrolet&admodel=camaro&subid=) ZL1 even with an extra 82 horsepower and 75 lb.-ft. being generated under the hood. With the 2013 GT500 world-class performance no longer has to mean a world-class thirst for fuel.

The 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 will be built at AutoAlliance International Plant in Flat Rock, Mich.

[PaxtonShelby]

I'm not sure "douche" is a harsh enough description fellas...

[03 OW SVT]

Press Release

DEARBORN, Mich., April 26, 2012, — The all-new supercharged 5.8-liter powerplant in the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 has been officially SAE-certified as the most powerful series production V8 in the world with peak output of 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque. That’s more power and torque than low volume sports cars costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the GT500, which is the most fuel-efficient vehicle in its segment. In fact the 2013 GT500 is the most fuel-efficient car with over 550 horsepower in any segment available in America.

Unlike high-strung engines found in much more expensive exotic supercars, the GT500 engine generates its massive thrust throughout its operating range with 395 lb.-ft. of torque available just off idle at 1,000 rpm. More than 90 percent of the peak torque is available from 2,200 to 5,800 rpm so that no matter when you squeeze the go pedal, the GT500 will just get up and run.

The combination of the new TVS 2.3-liter supercharger, twin overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder ensures this stallion can breathe all the way to 7,000 rpm with the peak power production coming at 6,500 rpm and holding fairly steady right to the rev limit.

“Our goal is to create outstanding all-around performance cars, not just stoplight-to-stoplight sprinters,” said Jamal Hameedi, SVT chief engineer. “We’ve backed up this amazing powerplant with a more refined chassis tuning that helps keep the rubber on the pavement without punishing the driver’s spine and six-pot Brembo brakes that dissipate speed with ease stop after stop.”

The broad, flat torque curve of the GT500 engine makes it tractable and easy to drive whether trolling along in traffic or powering out of a turn on a twisting country road. With more than enough grunt to push the coupe to 200 mph and beyond, the chassis has been tuned to absorb the road imperfections that can cause instability at high speeds. The revised front fascia and splitter help manage the flow of air around and under the GT500 so that it offers 33 percent more effective aero loading at 160 mph compared to the 2011 model and feels more firmly planted.

“The engineers at Ford SVT focused on the fundamentals first with solid mechanical grip and strong brakes,” added Hameedi. “On top of that platform they added advanced driver-adjustable electronic assist features including launch control, Bilstein adjustable damping, AdvanceTrac (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=6000&type=2&ext=150799224990&item=150799224990) stability control and electric power-assisted steering.”

Even with the most powerful production V8 in the world, the 2013 Shelby GT500 improves on the fuel efficiency of the 2012 model with an EPA-estimated 15 mpg city, 24 mpg highway and 18 mpg combined with no gas guzzler tax. That’s 5 mpg better on the highway than the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro (http://www.auto-price-finder.com/welcome?id=275&admake=chevrolet&admodel=camaro&subid=) ZL1 even with an extra 82 horsepower and 75 lb.-ft. being generated under the hood. With the 2013 GT500 world-class performance no longer has to mean a world-class thirst for fuel.

The 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 will be built at AutoAlliance International Plant in Flat Rock, Mich.

Awesome!:twothumbsup:

Back to the drawing board for Chevy!:veryhappy:

[scott5]

gt500 still hasnt proved anything yet.. Anything looks good on paper.

[speedracer]

gt500 still hasnt proved anything yet.. Anything looks good on paper.

Very true...

[no1sirbutler]

I agree...it hasn't proved anything yet. I hope it's all the hype says but I'm a nay-sayer until then. If it does prove itself, muscle car wars will be off the hook

[cam303]

gt500 still hasnt proved anything yet.. Anything looks good on paper.

But that camaro doesnt "look good" anywhere! from any angle! haha

[speedracer]

But that camaro doesnt "look good" anywhere! from any angle! haha
It looked better on paper :yes:

[Cam99]

^^^ Agreed... he don't seem to know a thing about what makes the the car special, only what he thinks makes it look cool. Should have been like Cam and stuck with a SS:rofl:

Lots of people try to be like Cam, few achieve such awesomeness! !

[speedracer]

Lots of people try to be like Cam, few achieve such awesomeness! !
You probably know where the fuse box is... you should take Drake under your wing :biglaugh:

[Cam99]

You probably know where the fuse box is... you should take Drake under your wing :biglaugh:

if i had to i would drink the kool-aide!

[scott5]

But that camaro doesnt "look good" anywhere! from any angle! haha

not gna lie. I agree with you. The new camaro just isnt my style.

[speedracer]

if i had to i would drink the kool-aide!
Your on C5... kool aid has been drunk ;)

[Cam99]

Your on C5... kool aid has been drunk ;)

I have to go there to balance out all the "camaro's suck, blah ,blah, blah" here
The scarier thing is, that if you know about drake, you have spent ample time on c5

[speedracer]

I have to go there to balance out all the "camaro's suck, blah ,blah, blah" here
The scarier thing is, that if you know about drake, you have spent ample time on c5
Just for shits and giggles :rofl:

[Mater]

not gna lie. I agree with you. The new camaro just isnt my style.

awww Im telling George & Andy!:laughing1:

[scott5]

awww Im telling George & Andy!:laughing1:

I told george already and he said "get the hell outta here with that" hahaha:laughing:

[Cam99]

U suck scott.
stock auto, slicks and skinnys, -600 DA
11.43@120.88
ESP Drag Radial Car :: 1143-1.mp4 video by Sprspt - Photobucket

[phillysrt4]

That car will be wrapped around a tree in a couple wks anyway.

you think it will really last that long?

[phillysrt4]

Lots of people try to be like Cam, few achieve such awesomeness! !

no wonder you owned an SRT4

[speedracer]

11.52@127... stock

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/11818628-post36.html

[scott5]

should be faster with less weight and more HP

[speedracer]

2013 Shelby GT500 Dyno Test - YouTube

[PaxtonShelby]

Dang that's a gorgeous car. And 700 at the flywheel isn't too shabby either.

[Cam99]

Very good looking shelby, I really like the color scheme

[speedracer]

Motortrends review

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1205_2013_ford_shelby_gt500_first_test/index.html

[speedracer]

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Chases 200 MPH! - Ignition Episode 18 - YouTube

[03 OW SVT]

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Chases 200 MPH! - Ignition Episode 18 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRuE38Bl5Mo&feature=g-all-u)

Awesome! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Camaro fan boys.:woot1:

[u1arunit]

Awesome! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Camaro fan boys.:woot1:

LOL is this something that you feel strongly about Kevin..? :)

[PaxtonShelby]

Freaking awesome is all I can say...

And damn...that red is gorgeous...

[03 OW SVT]

LOL is this something that you feel strongly about Kevin..? :)

Yeah buddy, but only the Camaro guys, not you Vette owners.:rotflol:

[speedracer]

You said it Ron, I'll bet the 2013 GT500 will Wax Some ZL1 Ass.:sticktonge:

Just saying!
:woot1: :biglaugh::pepper: Saw the future didn't you?

[Cam99]

Yeah buddy, but only the Camaro guys, not you Vette owners.:rotflol:

F-ing Camaro guys

[speedracer]

F-ing Camaro guys
^^^this

[03 OW SVT]

:woot1: :biglaugh::pepper: Saw the future didn't you?

I just had a hunch.:sticktonge:

[no1sirbutler]

This is gonna be a very impressive car.

[Cam99]

^^^this

you can't spell camaro without Cam:D

[scott5]

not gna lie. I would love a new gt500.. I always thought the only way I would get back into a pure ford would be with a SY or Mystic chrome vert cobra, but add the 2013 gt500 to that list.

[speedracer]

you can't spell camaro without Cam:D

I'd kick my parents square in the ass for a name like that (if it were me) :)

[scott5]

It just depends on what you want.. The zl1 camaro is built for turns and autocross, the gt500 is built to go straight fast... Me, i rather have the gt500... Greg, he likes to go around corners fast so he would get the camaro :)

[scott5]

next question... When will Ford step up to the plate and make something that will compete with the Corvette.. Dont say this gt500 would cause I am sorry but as badass as the gt500 is, its still not in z06/zr1 territory

[speedracer]

It just depends on what you want.. The zl1 camaro is built for turns and the GT500 is built to go straight

That has yet to be proven...

[PaxtonShelby]

Per the Shelby special they've been playing on Velocity, the GT350 crushed the Vette ( thought it was a Z06 ), a Lambo, a 997 Turbo, and a Ferrari. And the GT350 "only" put out 624 at the flywheel.

[scott5]

Per the Shelby special they've been playing on Velocity, the GT350 crushed the Vette ( thought it was a Z06 ), a Lambo, a 997 Turbo, and a Ferrari. And the GT350 "only" put out 624 at the flywheel.

we talking around the ring, straight line or what? I dont ever know of any production (not speciality) mustangs ever roll off showroom floor and go 10s or out handle the best handling cars in the entire world. Not saying its not true, just very very very hard to believe

[PaxtonShelby]

we talking around the ring, straight line or what? I dont ever know of any production (not speciality) mustangs ever roll off showroom floor and go 10s or out handle the best handling cars in the entire world. Not saying its not true, just very very very hard to believe

It was on the road course inside a major raceway - not sure which one though. The GT350 whooped the Porsche 997 by about 4 seconds. Can't remember the other specifics, but they're showing the 3-part series on Velocity pretty regularly - fire up the DVR and check it out.

Don't get me wrong...I was surprised as well that the GT350 kicked so much supercar butt... Prior to that show, I had not heard any hard performance numbers on the GT350.

[scott5]

It was on the road course inside a major raceway - not sure which one though. The GT350 whooped the Porsche 997 by about 4 seconds. Can't remember the other specifics, but they're showing the 3-part series on Velocity pretty regularly - fire up the DVR and check it out.

Don't get me wrong...I was surprised as well that the GT350 kicked so much supercar butt... Prior to that show, I had not heard any hard performance numbers on the GT350.

just seen it coming up and set it to record.. i didnt even know they still made the 350

[speedracer]

just seen it coming up and set it to record.. i didnt even know they still made the 350
It's made by Shelby not ford

[Mark Aubele]

It was on the road course inside a major raceway - not sure which one though. The GT350 whooped the Porsche 997 by about 4 seconds. Can't remember the other specifics, but they're showing the 3-part series on Velocity pretty regularly - fire up the DVR and check it out.

Don't get me wrong...I was surprised as well that the GT350 kicked so much supercar butt... Prior to that show, I had not heard any hard performance numbers on the GT350.

I saw bits and pieces of that. It was just a Carroll Shelby circle jerk. Wouldn't put much faith into it.

[PaxtonShelby]

They were at Las Vegas Motor Speedway - ran it on the infield road course. It thumped the Z06 by 4 seconds. The GT350 has 120 more horsepower than the Z06, but I was still surprised at the results.

[Mark Aubele]

They were at Las Vegas Motor Speedway - ran it on the infield road course. It thumped the Z06 by 4 seconds. The GT350 has 120 more horsepower than the Z06, but I was still surprised at the results.

Don't be surprised. It was a show financed by Shelby obviously. The Z06 would slaughter the overpriced GT with a blower (sorry "GT350") in real life, as it should being a near 100k car. Shows like that really rub me the wrong way. Next thing you know they will be showing ads with a street tired GT500 pulling the wheels...

[PaxtonShelby]

Now you're just taking all the fun out of it!!

I'm not a huge Shelby fan to be honest - ever since he started suing all the kit Cobra companies. Still - it is nice to see that a GT can hold its own with some serious cars.

[speedracer]

It just depends on what you want.. The zl1 camaro is built for turns and autocross, the gt500 is built to go straight fast... Me, i rather have the gt500... Greg, he likes to go around corners fast so he would get the camaro :)

Skip to 1:50...


Roush Trak Pak Mustang at VIR passed by 2013 Shelby GT500 - YouTube

[PaxtonShelby]

So 2013 GT500 > Roush Track Pack > Camaro ?? :rolleyes:

[Cam99]

So 2013 GT500 > Roush Track Pack > Camaro ?? :rolleyes:

Camaro > *
that is all

[speedracer]

Camaro > *
that is all
Still being bottle fed Kool Aid on C5 I see... :rotflol:

[Cam99]

Still being bottle fed Kool Aid on C5 I see... :rotflol:

It's not quite as strong as the kool aide on here, but it's good

[speedracer]

It's not quite as strong as the kool aide on here, but it's good
C5 is the only place that the Camaro is >*... in the real world things are a little different :biglaugh:

[Cam99]

C5 is the only place that the Camaro is >*... in the real world things are a little different :biglaugh:

Its different in the camaro circlejerk just like its different in the mustang circle jerk. In the real world it falls in between. My god i actually saw new 5.0s running 13's and 14's at prp on Thursday in the real world!

[speedracer]

Its different in the camaro circlejerk just like its different in the mustang circle jerk. In the real world it falls in between. My god i actually saw new 5.0s running 13's and 14's at prp on Thursday in the real world!
Were you ther the day a 2010 GT500 ran a 14.1? (blue if I recall) driver mods do not come with any car.

[Cam99]

Were you ther the day a 2010 GT500 ran a 14.1? (blue if I recall) driver mods do not come with any car.

that is a fact.

[speedracer]

2013 Shelby GT500 vs 2013 Camaro ZL1 Dyno Comparison Video — Inside Line - YouTube

[03 OW SVT]

2013 Shelby GT500 vs 2013 Camaro ZL1 Dyno Comparison Video — Inside Line - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBKBf8Zsjo&list=FLpITInJMnBsyQeNK_LLLQyA&index=1&feature=plpp_video)

Sweet! Shelby 1, Camaro 0 :veryhappy:

[Cam99]

2013 Shelby GT500 vs 2013 Camaro ZL1 Dyno Comparison Video — Inside Line - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBKBf8Zsjo&list=FLpITInJMnBsyQeNK_LLLQyA&index=1&feature=plpp_video)

Holy shit the 663 HP Shelby makes more horsepower than the 580 HP ZL1 on the dyno, now that's a shocker! Whats the next video going to be, newsflash, there's alot more ford emblems on the shelby than there is on the Camaro! LOL

[03 OW SVT]

Holy shit the 663 HP Shelby makes more horsepower than the 580 HP ZL1 on the dyno, now that's a shocker! Whats the next video going to be, newsflash, there's alot more ford emblems on the shelby than there is on the Camaro! LOL

The Shelby has less displacement too and makes more power. Imagine that!:D

[Cam99]

The Shelby has less displacement too and makes more power. Imagine that!:D

And a larger blower and more boost, imagine that!

[03 OW SVT]

And a larger blower and more boost, imagine that!

Shelby can handle more boost, cause of better internals, what a shocker!

Shall we continue??:sticktonge:

[scott5]

Shelby can handle more boost, cause of better internals, what a shocker!

Shall we continue??:sticktonge:

Do you have proof?

[scott5]

Oh nad the Zl1 is already in the 9s.. Any 2013s there yet? Nope. 10.02 is close but no cigar... And still awaiting the ring times on the 2013

[scott5]

And I will admit, the 5th gen camaro is not a very good platform from chevy.. Sorry cam lol

[jaa55]

this thread makes me laugh haha

[no1sirbutler]

There will always be "if this" and "if that". You guys def provide entertainment without the Koolaid....

[Cam99]

Shelby can handle more boost, cause of better internals, what a shocker!

Shall we continue??:sticktonge:

won't argue that. i think chevy screwed the pooch with a blown motor without forged internals, but since we are bench racing...shelby 5.8 dohc with a 2.3 liter blower at 14 psi vs a 6.2 ohv with a 1.9 liter blower at 9 psi. not surprising the shelby makes more power stock.
Mustangs a tired old model rehash trying to buy press with crazy factory hp ratings, camaro is still outselling it with its meager horsepower, put that in your blunt and smoke it. yeah i said blunt:p

[Cam99]

There will always be "if this" and "if that". You guys def provide entertainment without the Koolaid....

i don't own a shelby or a zl1 so i really dont give a ****, but the interweb bench racing is good for passing time:yes:

[Cam99]

And I will admit, the 5th gen camaro is not a very good platform from chevy.. Sorry cam lol

Depends on what you want the car for I think. If you want a drag car, f it, buy a fox, gut it and go stupid fast for cheap. If you want an autocross car there are plenty of better options than the heavy ass current crop of pony cars. If you want a cool , pretty powerful, retro styled muscle car, then buy a mustang, camaro, or challenger, whichever floats your boat.

[PaxtonShelby]

^^^ well said - it is all in what you want...and can afford...

[speedracer]

Cam's new ZL1

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/story_images/1/2558/1261/6393130001_large.jpg

[Cam99]

Cam's new ZL1

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/story_images/1/2558/1261/6393130001_large.jpg

my new ride is sweet isn't it:goodidea:

[no1sirbutler]

Is yours the green one or the gold one behind it?

[PaxtonShelby]

Dang...those babies have more ground clearance than my F150!!

[Cam99]

Is yours the green one or the gold one behind it?

Both. Im a baller

[scott5]

Wait isnt cams camaro faster than everyones mustang in this thread?

[speedracer]

Wait isnt cams camaro faster than everyones mustang in this thread?

No...

[scott5]

No...

true. For some reason I thought you ran a 12.2 or something?

[speedracer]

true. For some reason I thought you ran a 12.2 or something?
With DR's and a K&N

[scott5]

With DR's and a K&N

oh yea.. over on that other site that speak no words of. I was wondering where I got that number from.. Well I tried to help ya out cam, but failed.

[speedracer]

oh yea.. over on that other site that speak no words of. I was wondering where I got that number from.. Well I tried to help ya out cam, but failed.
I have a few more mods from the 11.9 run so I still can outrun Cam's mullet on wheels

[Cam99]

With DR's and a K&N

and a blower...your just lucky the track got rained out or you wouldn't have a SLIGHTLY faster time than me:sticktonge:

[speedracer]

and a blower...your just lucky the track got rained out or you wouldn't have a SLIGHTLY faster time than me:sticktonge:


Till I get my car to the track. My blower is stock... not my fault your car sucks :pointlaff:

[Cam99]

Till I get my car to the track. My blower is stock... not my fault your car sucks :pointlaff:

Funny you need a blower to keep up with my cam and exhaust NA motor in a heavy ass pig car with worse gearing. Who's car sucks again:rotflol:

[speedracer]

Funny you need a blower to keep up with my cam and exhaust NA motor in a heavy ass pig car with worse gearing. Who's car sucks again:rotflol:
You had to do internal engine work, I just changed a pulley :yes: My car isn't exactly light either

[Cam99]

You had to do internal engine work, I just changed a pulley :yes: My car isn't exactly light either

Yup changed a pulley to make EVEN MORE boost to keep up with a C5 camaro. Lulz

[speedracer]

Yup changed a pulley to make EVEN MORE boost to keep up with a C5 camaro. Lulz
My poor car is almost 10 years old... it took Cheby as long to make a Camaro thats as fast as my car. talk about sucking

[Cam99]

My poor car is almost 10 years old... it took Cheby as long to make a Camaro thats as fast as my car. talk about sucking

Yeah just forget about the 93-02 Camaro's that left the Mustangs sucking hind tit at that time. 10 years to make a mustang compete and it was after the end of f-body production

[PaxtonShelby]

This thread is like watching a Hearns / Hagler fight...

...or maybe more like a match between Chrissy Everett and Martina Navratolova?? :ghey:

[03 OW SVT]

Yeah just forget about the 93-02 Camaro's that left the Mustangs sucking hind tit at that time. 10 years to make a mustang compete and it was after the end of f-body production

Yeah, and refresh my memory... Which car took an 8 year vacation because they sucked???:D

[scott5]

Yeah, and refresh my memory... Which car took an 8 year vacation because they sucked???:D

cobra r?

[03 OW SVT]

cobra r?

Good guess but no, mullet man!:sticktonge:

[scott5]

Good guess but no, mullet man!:sticktonge:

93 to 01?

[03 OW SVT]

93 to 01?

Nope, keep guessing. I'll give ya a hint! Rymes with jamaro! Lol

[PaxtonShelby]

Nope, keep guessing. I'll give ya a hint! Rymes with SLOW-Maro! Lol

There ya go Kevin...I fixed your typo. :goodidea:

[speedracer]

93 to 01?

Just like the 03-12 camaros ;)

[scott5]

Just like the 03-12 camaros ;)

03-12? Are we comparing the last ZL1 or the camaro in general?

[speedracer]

03-12? Are we comparing the last ZL1 or the camaro in general?
The Thread is about the ZL1... Cam started comparing everything to distract from the ZL1's sucking:biglaugh:

[03 OW SVT]

There ya go Kevin...I fixed your typo. :goodidea:

I was gonna put that Ron, but figured the Camaro Nut Swingers would be butt-hurt.:p

[scott5]

hahahaha

[Cam99]

Yeah, and refresh my memory... Which car took an 8 year vacation because they sucked???:D

Want to talk suck, Mustang II. Check and mate

[Cam99]

The Thread is about the ZL1... Cam started comparing everything to distract from the ZL1's sucking:biglaugh:

If I had one, it wouldn't suck. I make shit cool , it's a gift of mine:yes:

[03 OW SVT]

Want to talk suck, Mustang II. Check and mate

Gotta agree with ya on that!

But it took Chevy 3 years to come up with the Camaro after the Mustang was introduced. King me!!:laughing1:

[scott5]

Corvette check

[03 OW SVT]

Corvette check

Not talking about Corvette braineeack.:rolleyes: This is a Camaro, Mustang thread.

[ModularMike]

Anyone with a stock 2013 GT500 or ZL1 Camaro, June 16th at ATCO, entry fee is paid as long as you race against one another by end of night.

[03 OW SVT]

Anyone with a stock 2013 GT500 or ZL1 Camaro, June 16th at ATCO, entry fee is paid as long as you race against one another by end of night.

That would be awesome. Watch some Gt500 wax some ZL1 ass. Just hope they both have driver mod to make it a fair race.

[PaxtonShelby]

If I had one, it wouldn't suck. I make shit cool , it's a gift of mine:yes:

Gotta admit - that was funny!:biglaugh:

[ModularMike]

That would be awesome. Watch some Gt500 wax some ZL1 ass. Just hope they both have driver mod to make it a fair race.

Some guy on the bullet said "GM owners are DUMB, but not dumb enough to come to this race!"

[speedracer]

Some guy on the bullet said "GM owners are DUMB, but not dumb enough to come to this race!"
Some idiot in a ZL1 will think his is fast enough

[Cam99]

Some idiot in a ZL1 will think his is fast enough

It's got magnectic ride, so how can it lose. You Ford guys:rotflol:

[speedracer]

It's got magnectic ride, so how can it lose. You Ford guys:rotflol:
See my avatar

[ModularMike]

see my avatar
7/10

[scott5]

still no numbers on the ring?

[speedracer]

still no numbers on the ring?
There are absolutly no standards when it comes to making a run there and if you don't do same day same driver I don't see where it would mean much except for the transformer crowd only because they have a time lol

[scott5]

There are absolutly no standards when it comes to making a run there and if you don't do same day same driver I don't see where it would mean much except for the transformer crowd only because they have a time lol

that makes no sense.. Then why compare 1/4 track times at different tracks with different drivers on different days with different tires with different da's and different air fresheners?

All cars go to the ring to get the base of the handling on them. When two cars are compared on handling they use the ring times.

[PaxtonShelby]

I've heard that some tests at the ring are with a rolling start while others are not. If the same people aren't controlling the testing then it really isn't any good. 1/4 mile procedures are pretty much standardized.

[speedracer]

that makes no sense.. Then why compare 1/4 track times at different tracks with different drivers on different days with different tires with different da's and different air fresheners?.

Drag racing is a simple sport :biglaugh: Track conditions could probably make a run vary at least 10 or more seconds let alone one driver to another... same day same driver or it means nothing othere than who thinks they have the bigest pee pee.


All cars go to the ring to get the base of the handling on them. When two cars are compared on handling they use the ring times.
So the fact that there is no standard don't bother you at all?

[scott5]

no.. Just wanna see how it does. GM called The 2013 out before to run the same day with any driver of their choice and they didnt go. So its either going to whip the zl1 or its not even going to come close.. Just wanna see what it can do see lets face it for 60k they both better do everything great and the ZL1 let me down in all departments except for the handling.

[cam303]

2013 Shelby GT500 vs 2013 Camaro ZL1 Dyno Comparison Video — Inside Line - YouTube

[Cam99]

*repost* see post 157 and following for that discussion.

[scott5]

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/camaro/2012/2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-comparison-test.html

Winner winner chicken dinner lol

[mr4teth]

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/camaro/2012/2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-comparison-test.html

Winner winner chicken dinner lol

Of what ... skid pad test?!

ZL1 will get :bitchslap: when a real heads up review happens!

[03 OW SVT]

Of what ... skid pad test?!

ZL1 will get :bitchslap: when a real heads up review happens!

I think Scott is actually rooting for the Shelby in this test.:woot1:

[speedracer]

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/camaro/2012/2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-comparison-test.html

Winner winner chicken dinner lol
I saw a test between the Subaru BRZ and a V6 Mustang, just like the test above the BRZ had a better skid pad numbers and such but was a second and a half slower than the Mustang on Willow springs road course.

[yeahloh95]

it rides better on rough roads so its better what a load of crap

[Cam99]

The ZL1 handles better, is that such a surprise? Good God he said the Shelby was quicker in a straight line, isn't that the point of the Ford one trick pony???? ( pony reference, lulz) Yet still you guys bitch.

[speedracer]

The ZL1 handles better, is that such a surprise? Good God he said the Shelby was quicker in a straight line, isn't that the point of the Ford one trick pony???? ( pony reference, lulz) Yet still you guys bitch.
Is a same day same driver comparison too much to ask for? If it's close we'll call it a draw if there is an ass whoopin' then so be it.

[scott5]

I think Scott is actually rooting for the Shelby in this test.:woot1:

Kevin knows i love the new GT500.. I just like stirring the pot, thus my sig :sticktonge:

[speedracer]

Teaser video

2013 Shelby GT500: Nurburgring - YouTube

[speedracer]

This guy on SVT performance is usually correct on rumors, his post is interesting.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/11921734-post35.html

[speedracer]

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/gl0422/2012-Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL1-2013-Ford-Shelby-GT500-Laguna-Seca-Lap-Map.jpg

[mr4teth]

Source please :pepper:

I have some crow with a side of humble pie to serve!

[speedracer]

Source please :pepper:

I have some crow with a side of humble pie to serve!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_vs_2013_shelby_gt50 0/

[speedracer]

Summary of all the tests so far

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz332/gl0422/summary.jpg

[PaxtonShelby]

That last line resulted in a belly-laugh and me choking on my own spit...

[Cam99]

Hey, delicate vagina's have places to go also. LOL