bone stock 2011

[cam303]

At cecil dragway in maryland getting some runs in joes new 2011 6sp man 3.73 car with less than 550 miles on it. 12.32@114.43 so far. Pretty sure that is a record for a 0 mod car!! Tire pressure not even modified! Going for a 12.2???

[speedracer]

Videos?

[cam303]

Nope. Pics of timeslip but can't get them to load from droid x

[scott5]

Cool.. good numbers for a bone stock no weight reduction stock tire car

[speedracer]

Nope. Pics of timeslip but can't get them to load from droid x
Sounds like you need an iPhone lol or a photobucket app.

[PaxtonShelby]

Is this PureStock Joe you're talking about? 12.3 is gettin it done out of the box!! :goodidea:

[cam303]

Haha. I liked my Iphone better but now have company phone and now bill so I can deal with it. Lol

[cam303]

Yes....PureStock.....forget to call friends by screen names

[cam303]

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/camasaitis/2011-03-26_12-51-26_809.jpg

[Silverhatch]

That things gonna fly once he guts it!

[cam303]

Not gonna gut this one!

[speedracer]

So nobody hurts their neck

[cam303]

Thanks bud! I did the photobucket app. Hahaha

[speedracer]

Try and get a run on video with your phone.

[cam303]

Will try

[2000GT]

Nice Run Joe! Chris, any pictures of it?

[John4cam]

awesome.

[yeahloh95]

Very nice runs I'm glad the track came around so the sixty could Improve 20's are a couple passes away

[cam303]

12.22@115.18 !!! Uploading video now!!!!

[speedracer]

12.22@115.18 !!! Uploading video now!!!!
Cool, where did you find the fastest 11 GT at? svtperformance has a thread and the fastest all stock 11 was a 12.6 something... here

Harley#356 ------------- 2.01 - 12.672 @ 111.82 STOCK (Manual w/ 3.73's) 3-12-11 Atco Raceway, NJ

[cam303]

12.54 is fastest manual we have found. Fastest auto was 12.37

[speedracer]

12.54 is fastest manual we have found. Fastest auto was 12.37
How are you going to prove it's all stock? a lot of people will asking questions.

[cam303]

http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/camasaitis/2011-03-26_15-43-16_189.mp4.

[cam303]

http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/camasaitis/2011-03-26_15-43-16_189.mp4

[speedracer]

http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/camasaitis/2011-03-26_15-43-16_189.mp4
Link dosn't work for me, goes to a black screen and says done in the bottom

[yeahloh95]

Do a walk around to prove it's stock vid will prove it as quite as it is

[speedracer]

Do a walk around to prove it's stock vid will prove it as quite as it is
^^ This and youtube FTW

[Martin0660]

That's rocking Joe! Getting it done for sure.

[cam303]

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/camasaitis/2011-03-26_16-20-19_561.jpg

[THE BIG KOALA]

Good job and i cant wait to make some runs

[cam303]

Is video working now? It starts loading from the link on my phone then says video not optimized for mobile.

[speedracer]

Is video working now? It starts loading from the link on my phone then says video not optimized for mobile.
No...

[cam303]

2011-03-26_15-43-16_189.mp4 video by camasaitis - Photobucket

[speedracer]

That one worked

[yeahloh95]

is this that fastest stock 2011 manual ?

[biminiLX]

WOW very nice, must have checked the driver option ;)
What was the DA/weather?
-J

[yeahloh95]

listen carefully to the at the end of the track he even catches 5th i would say no driver mod is needed , with more seat time 12 teens

[speedracer]

You guys should have done a better job of documenting the cars stockness, there are going to be a a lot of BS flags raised when you beat the next fastest 5.0 by nearly a 1/2 second.

[somethingclever]

strong mph out the back door..........nice job.


Any idea what the corrected ET/MPH is?

[Balaska347]

Nice pass Joe! I saw one at Mason dixon running 12.20's also that I thought was stock but Im not sure.

Are these times with the factory fluids or is there synthetic from the front to back?

[cam303]

Everything was factory. As far as proving the stockness if these cars are supposed to have a " black box" shouldn't a dealer be able to check the computer for any altercations? Anyway people can hate and disbelieve all they want. Really makes no difference. We know what it did. Its not like there is some big prize or something! Lol. This was the first time to.the track with the car and never expected it to run that good. Only 550 miles on it so it is not even broken in yet!!!

[yeahloh95]

If nobody called bs what fun would it be that would mean it was easy

[Balaska347]

Joe's one bad dude and these cars are just monsters. Awesome run!

[Pure Stock]

WOW very nice, must have checked the driver option ;)
What was the DA/weather?
-J

I was a crystal clear day. D/A was really good. 30's to low 40's temp wise and 30.1x on the barometer. There were numerous personal bests achieved that day.

[Pure Stock]

strong mph out the back door..........nice job.


Any idea what the corrected ET/MPH is?

Probably worse.

[Pure Stock]

Nice pass Joe! I saw one at Mason dixon running 12.20's also that I thought was stock but Im not sure.

Are these times with the factory fluids or is there synthetic from the front to back?

Like cam303 stated, showroom stock. Full tank of gas and the tires were inflated to the specs stated on the door jam. Nothing was taken out of it or added to it to produce the e.t./mph

[2000GT]

Nice Runs Joe! Do you have any pics of this beast?

Far cry from when we thought it was awesome to get our 93's in the high 13s, don't you think?

[Pure Stock]

Nice Runs Joe! Do you have any pics of this beast?

Far cry from when we thought it was awesome to get our 93's in the high 13s, don't you think?

I got to get er cleaned up then I'll snap a few. I remember those days like yesterday!! Back when 3.73's, pulleys, k&n panel filter, and an off road H was a bad mofo. Then add an A or B trim and you were out. You know the recipe. You were up there bangin' em and adding to the collection of time slips. Was that circa 1999?

[PaxtonShelby]

Ok - it has been 43 minutes. She should be all cleaned up by now...:rolleyes:

[2000GT]

I got to get er cleaned up then I'll snap a few. I remember those days like yesterday!! Back when 3.73's, pulleys, k&n panel filter, and an off road H was a bad mofo. Then add an A or B trim and you were out. You know the recipe. You were up there bangin' em and adding to the collection of time slips. Was that circa 1999?

From 1996-1999, I was up there on every test and tune with my Cobra. Then from 2001-2003, I was up there with my 2000. I swear - I must have over 1500 passes on those cars combined. Aside from a few clutches, I have never had any major parts failures. I can't complain!

[yeahloh95]

i wonder what this thing will run at prp? with the new burn out box i'm looking for some new bests there .....

[NovaPRP]

i wonder what this thing will run at prp? with the new burn out box i'm looking for some new bests there .....

Are you serious? New burnout boxes creating new best's? I've officially read it all...

[Balaska347]

Im thinking at PRP on an average summer day, 12.70's as is maybe dip into the 12.60's. The DA was probably 900 feet below sea level when he ran those times. PRP avg. is probably about 2000-3000 feet above sea level.

[yeahloh95]

Oh the air was better than that and they have a really good burnout box there too

[Balaska347]

What was the DA? Or is it a secret :rotflol:. I dont go there so I have no idea. I just know its well below sea level and its 1000's of feet lower then PRP. Thats why I laugh when people get bent out of shape over the times Joe runs in this car and his fox. There are no tricks, just someone that understands how important air is to the performance of an engine. Those 10.50's in the fox are 11's at PRP. When people wanna know where the nitrous is, I would just say you dont need it at Cecil because the air there is basically the same as a 75 shot lol. The fact is the ET's are true, people just have to understand they just cant be compared to others in different locations. Take it for what it is...

[yeahloh95]

PRP elevation 1210 ft mason Dixon 530 ft Cecil 312 ft

[Martin0660]

D/A was really good. 30's to low 40's temp wise and 30.1x on the barometer.

ASSuming 40 degrees at 30.10 and Cecil's real elevation, you was better than -1000, pushing -1100 DA ... Holy mineshaft air ;)

Here is a calculator that can be used to calculate DA for various tracks ...

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?track=27&month=3&day=27&year=2011&getweather=Get+Weather+Data

It usually also provides weather data, but it seems it is missing for Cecil on this date. I use this one a lot when looking at internet posted times, you can go back and look at their DA, and usually get it pretty close.

[Silverhatch]

It usually also provides weather data, but it seems it is missing for Cecil on this date. I use this one a lot when looking at internet posted times, you can go back and look at their DA, and usually get it pretty close.
Are you suggesting that Cam303 hacked into the weather database and altered the information to keep anyone from pinpointing their information! Holy data-disappearance Batman! :pinkthumb:

[Martin0660]

Are you suggesting that Cam303 hacked into the weather database and altered the information to keep anyone from pinpointing their information!

LOL, I wouldn't put it past them, hidden nitrous systems and all :highfive:

Nah, I'm not sure what's up there, we are getting what we pay for with a free site. Weather station data is out there for just about any area if anyone is inclined to dig into it. I've seen it missing for several locations on that site over time and usually need to dig it out of the NWS or an airport or a local news outlet, or something. It's pretty easy to guestimate that this time of year at Cecil it's going to be mineshaft air.

In the 2.3 world we have a number of guys in Colarado at very high elevation, and Florida that can swing widely, even through the day. For us to compare effectiveness of changes we obviously use DA a lot.

[NovaPRP]

Oh the air was better than that and they have a really good burnout box there too

Still failing to understand what burnout boxes have to do with running a new best?

[Killercanary]

Still failing to understand what burnout boxes have to do with running a new best?

Who cares, PRP is still a slower track than most.

[Mark Aubele]

Still failing to understand what burnout boxes have to do with running a new best?

x2.....

[NovaPRP]

Who cares, PRP is still a slower track than most.

What tracks are you comparing?

[Killercanary]

I've raced at Mason Dixon, Englishtown, and Cecil County.

[NovaPRP]

I've raced at Mason Dixon, Englishtown, and Cecil County.

Well of course PRP is slower than those listed. Those tracks have historically GREAT air. We are 1000 feet higher (give or take) than those tracks at PRP, before ever even taking into account the weather. I don't believe however that PRP is a slow track. I have been to places that are SLOW, such as Quaker City and Bristol.

[yeahloh95]

my theory is a new smooth burnout box will produce a more consistant tire temp across the tire and there for producing a better 60ft and a quicker et

[NovaPRP]

Interesting theory:rolleyes:. Our boxes weren't really bad as far as smoothness goes. They are just adding length? If not for wanting added length they wouldn't have replaced them.

[yeahloh95]

That's what she said

[Stangman701]

That's what she said

:rofl:

[PaxtonShelby]

:rotflol:

[John4cam]

Interesting theory:rolleyes:. Our boxes weren't really bad as far as smoothness goes. They are just adding length? If not for wanting added length they wouldn't have replaced them.

Are you part owner or the owner of PRP? I notice the we, and our. Just wondering.

[Killercanary]

Here you go, I looked up all of the track elevations for you guys. I see elevation differences, but I don't see where mother nature supposedly injects nitrous into the air at some and pulls oxygen molecules from the air at others....

Track elevations:
Beaver Springs: 642'
Maple Grove: 548'
Numidia: 972'
PRP: 1210'
Quaker City: 1300'
Summit/Norwalk: 853'
Thompson: 1400'
Dragway 42: 700'
75-80: 500'
Capitol raceway: 250'
Cecil county: 320'
Mason Dixon: 530'
Budd's Creek: 80'
Atco: 33'
Englishtown: 86'

In my humble opinion if there is to be any work done in the burnout boxes at PRP 2 things need addressed above and beyond lengthening it. First the box should be widened so that a safety risk doesn't exist for those running behind FWD or AWD cars. Widen the box and allow FWD and RWD to go around the water. Second there absolutely should be some sort of barrier/wall to protect cars and spectators from potentially lethal rocks being thrown back from the burn out box. I always try to get into lane 1, if I don't then I do everything I can to make sure I end up back by the bathrooms so that I am protected from the rocks. I've seen cars and spectators hit with huge potential for un-needed injury.

[Martin0660]

I see elevation differences, but I don't see where mother nature supposedly injects nitrous into the air at some and pulls oxygen molecules from the air at others....

??? Mother nature does this with barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity changes that can be expressed as density altitude (DA)... in effect, adding or taking away oxygen with pressure

Sea level tracks like Cecil (and Atco) can really see some huge negative DA's that are huge for performance with more oxygen filling (especially spring and fall). These runs was likely made at an effective 1000 feet below sea level, or in other words a hell of a lot more oxygen in the air at a higher pressure. A buddy of mine that runs Cecil has told me he has been at +3800 feet at Cecil in the heat / humidity of summer so it's not a total paradise ;)

[Martin0660]

Here is a good calculator to play with ...

http://www.wallaceracing.com/convert-et-to-msa.php

Just for fun with some assumptions ... I took Joe's 12.22 at 115 and some base data with some assumptions (humidity assumed dry at 15%, used 40 degrees and 30.10 barometer)from his first run, then plugged in PRP data that I have seen for a typical early summer test and tune night and here is what is spit out ...

Your Original Run: ET - 12.22 MPH - 115 Corrected Run To Conditions Today:ET - 12.64MPH - 111.20

I would say mother nature does a good job managing that oxygen (not to discount Joes driving either as it's a great package on street tires) ...

[KeystoneJohnny]

Good Runs. These new 5.0's are off the hook. Maybe in a year or two I'll pick one up.

[NovaPRP]

Are you part owner or the owner of PRP? I notice the we, and our. Just wondering.

I have nothing to do with the running/owning of the track. I say "our" and "we" just like Steelers fans say "we" lost in the super bowl. Same thing, pride in my home track is all.

Bob, thanks for explaining all of that. It can be like "nitrous" (more like supercharging due to the increased pressure that the air is being subjected to). Folks throw down some killer runs at those east coast tracks when the air is cool. We RARELY see sub 1000' air let alone sub-sea level air at PRP.

[yeahloh95]

Do you guys need directions to Cecil ?I have the address then you too can take advantage of the supercharged air

[CobraII]

In my humble opinion if there is to be any work done in the burnout boxes at PRP 2 things need addressed above and beyond lengthening it. First the box should be widened so that a safety risk doesn't exist for those running behind FWD or AWD cars. Widen the box and allow FWD and RWD to go around the water. Second there absolutely should be some sort of barrier/wall to protect cars and spectators from potentially lethal rocks being thrown back from the burn out box. I always try to get into lane 1, if I don't then I do everything I can to make sure I end up back by the bathrooms so that I am protected from the rocks. I've seen cars and spectators hit with huge potential for un-needed injury.

My suggestion would be for you, and everyone who shares your concerns, to voice them to the top 3 people on the PRP contact page.

[CobraII]

http://www.pittsburghracewaypark.com/contact-us

[Killercanary]

Bob, let me clarify... I know you are aware that I drag raced for years and although I don't do it much anymore I am full aware of DA and what effects it. I used to gear up all week when I saw a high pressure front moving in from the west and I constantly watched the wind directions closely to see if I'd have a tail, cross, or head wind when I got to PRP. My intention with my post was to poke fun at the notion that Cecil has "nitrous" in the air and that PRP always has shitty air as though mother nature was playing favorites and had a personal vendetta against it. I always raced for time slips, bragging rights, and to see what my modifications did to the car. Since these were my goals and I understood full well that the denser, cooler, and more oxygen filled the air was when I ran the better my times would be, I started going to tracks like Cecil and such 1-3 times a year versus running at PRP every week. In the end it cost me about the same amount of money per year and I accomplished my goals for why I raced in the first place. Having said that I'd love to see what the crazy 2.3 of yours would do at a track such as Cecil with a killer DA. :goodidea:

Chuck, I would gladly voice my opinion but if past practices dictate future results then I feel I would be wasting my time. The one other benefit I acquired by running at other tracks was to gain perspective and the ability to compare the attitude, planning, and execution of a race day from other tracks in comparison to PRP. That is the other main reason I went from being at PRP every single test and tune day from the time the track opened until the last event of the year, to hardly running there at all. Hell for two years in a row I was the very first car down the track on the first test of tune of the year. I was dedicated, even though I was a lowly test and tune guy.. I even moved my work schedule around so that I could be at PRP a good hour to 45 minutes before the gates opened so that I could let the car cool down before racing started. My dad and I were regular fixtures there for many years, but that has definitely changed. If you feel it wouldn't fall on deaf ears I would gladly take the time to voice this opinion to them.

[speedracer]

Ownership and management shouldn't have to be told that if they know what their doing. I used to race a Jennerstown speedway and it was their way or the highway... They are closed now.

[CobraII]

Chuck, I would gladly voice my opinion but if past practices dictate future results then I feel I would be wasting my time. The one other benefit I acquired by running at other tracks was to gain perspective and the ability to compare the attitude, planning, and execution of a race day from other tracks in comparison to PRP. That is the other main reason I went from being at PRP every single test and tune day from the time the track opened until the last event of the year, to hardly running there at all. Hell for two years in a row I was the very first car down the track on the first test of tune of the year. I was dedicated, even though I was a lowly test and tune guy.. I even moved my work schedule around so that I could be at PRP a good hour to 45 minutes before the gates opened so that I could let the car cool down before racing started. My dad and I were regular fixtures there for many years, but that has definitely changed. If you feel it wouldn't fall on deaf ears I would gladly take the time to voice this opinion to them.

Paul, I'm of the opinion squeaky wheels get the grease. So at the least, it couldn't hurt to copy and paste your post about the burnout boxes into an email, and paste in the 3 addresses. Wouldn't take too much time, right? lol :D I wouldn't ever say you, or anyone, was a "lowly test and tune" guy. You are the track's money makers! - as there is no payout on test and tunes, compared to bracket days. I wish I could tell you for certain that it wouldn't be a waste of your time to let PRP management know your feelings. But, in my mind, you would be just about the dream customer: you love running your car, and you do it all the time. Trust me, I hear you.... before I got into bracket racing, I did the same thing, taking days off on test and tune days so I could be there before the gates opened to let the car cool down, etc. I know PRP has its flaws, but it is still my local track, where I've built great memories and friendships. Tracks need all the support they can get to stay open. I'm not saying that means it's ok to be bent over, but there should at least be a happy medium.

Speedracer, every business should at least be able to listen to customer feedback. Ever notice how many businesses take surveys?

[venom]

Sunday nights down in Crafton...thats where I do my T&T!!!

[CobraII]

Next candidate for the Darwin Awards....

[John4cam]

I have nothing to do with the running/owning of the track. I say "our" and "we" just like Steelers fans say "we" lost in the super bowl. Same thing, pride in my home track is all.


Thats cool...like I said, was just wondering.

[Martin0660]

My intention with my post was to poke fun at the notion that Cecil has "nitrous" in the air and that PRP always has shitty air as though mother nature was playing favorites and had a personal vendetta against it. .

Gotcha ... I missed that and was rather confused because I though at least one of your cars was speed density based as well, and obviously we see those changes via MAP on start-up.

On a side note, I actually tag the pressure when power cycles on in my data logs so that I can correct runs to measure real changes in my tune ;) Again very difficult to tell if a change really helped unless you are correcting for DA.


I started going to tracks like Cecil and such 1-3 times a year versus running at PRP every week. In the end it cost me about the same amount of money per year and I accomplished my goals for why I raced in the first place..

I understand, and did very similar last year and plan the same this year. My focus has been on the NMRA national events and UMTR races. I am still at PRP most every test and tune and a bunch of regular race days (racing or not), but quite simply, I am much happier at these other venues as my goofy combo competes better and most of them are VERY happy to have me there.


Having said that I'd love to see what the crazy 2.3 of yours would do at a track such as Cecil with a killer DA. :goodidea:

LOL, yeah, it seems the spirits are always aliged against this happening. I started winter upgrades early last fall, and here I am not ready, and likely not ready until early May. I have been in India and Germany over the last month, and now China until late April. Pretty hard to pull the car together when you arent even in the same country :( Of course by the time fall rolls around my junk is used up after the NMRA Columbus race.

I had really hoped to run NMRA Atco this year as there is still a chance of mineshaft air (and sometime not) but it's looking bleak now too. Someday ;)

[GOT SVT]

back to the original intent of this post

you should post up your results here :goodidea:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php/159185-Fastest-2011-List/page3

[yeahloh95]

he already did post over there just not in that thread yet

[pabadboys]

I have a auto stock car that ran a 12.36 at 113.21 my 60 was 1.919.. 330 was 5.2674....1/8 was8.0108mph 89.59 that was at hubcity raceway in hattiesburgh missisppi only had one run i did not have a helment i drove a 100 miles the car was not cooled down my next run was in gulfport missisippi at gulfport race way got three runs in ran the best at 12.38 mph was 114.01 60 ..19609 330 was 5.271 1/8 was 8.029 mph was 89.53.. guys these cars can run these times it is very hot down here cant wait to get back home to see what i can do up there

[Mark Aubele]

I have a auto stock car that ran a 12.36 at 113.21 my 60 was 1.919.. 330 was 5.2674....1/8 was8.0108mph 89.59 that was at hubcity raceway in hattiesburgh missisppi only had one run i did not have a helment i drove a 100 miles the car was not cooled down my next run was in gulfport missisippi at gulfport race way got three runs in ran the best at 12.38 mph was 114.01 60 ..19609 330 was 5.271 1/8 was 8.029 mph was 89.53.. guys these cars can run these times it is very hot down here cant wait to get back home to see what i can do up there

Dude. Punctuation. Please.