Looking for opinions on a possible Steelcitystangs track day @ PRP

[Sonic03snake]

Im trying to get an idea as to what would interest the group as a whole for an all Ford track day. Please vote and post your opinions as well, we would really like to make this a success and maybe turn it into a weekend event next year if all goes well.

We are working with Greg Miller to possibly have our own Ford event sometime this year. Greg took over the reins as track manager late last year and is trying to reinstate a good relationship with the street / Test N Tune type of racers. After meeting with him this past weekend I really feel the track will be greatly improved in this season, he has alot of good ideas and is aware of what needs fixed with the track itself and the PR problems alot of us have experienced in the past.

Thanks for your opinions, please keep this thread on topic, any track bashing will be deleted.

[Sonic03snake]

If anyone has any questions as to what any of the formats are, please ask before voting.:thumbsup:

[Sonic03snake]

True Street format would consist of a 30 mile cruise before your runs, you then come straight into the staging lanes for a cool down period, Nothing can be touched on the car but tire pressure. You then make 3 back to back passes and they are all averaged together. The racer closest to the set indexes without going under wins that class. There will also be an award for the quickest average.

Stoplight drag format, we should all know what this is, just like the flashlight drags

Index racing format would consist of 4-5 classes (14.0, 13.0, 12.0, 11.0, 10.0, 9.0) This is a pro tree heads up race that has very little rules other than you can't run any faster than your index

Bracket racing format is your typical saturday race format.

[wick]

I am liking the index deal. But for some of us, we wont know what the car will run. Will there be some time runs to dial in and try to get some times? If so, I think that would be nice. The cruise is a great idea also.

[Sonic03snake]

I am liking the index deal. But for some of us, we wont know what the car will run. Will there be some time runs to dial in and try to get some times? If so, I think that would be nice. The cruise is a great idea also.
Yes, im sure there will have to be some time trials.:thumbsup:

[wick]

What kind of turnout are you going to be looking at ya think? Will it be like a hot lap kind of day where we get a ton of runs in?

[mustang50lx]

I picked bracket racing but I did like the True street event at Columbus this year. I wouldn't want to do True street type index racing every week-end.

My personal opinion on an all Ford event is that it should include some kind of car show and some kind of test and tune for those who don't want to race at all. I think you might be able to pull some car show guys in that wouldn't otherwise come. You could even do some kind of line up and run thing like the Flashlight drags instead of test and tune. I don't how the FLD's did last year, but the year before we went twice and it was packed.

It's probably going to be rough trying to get several different racing venues going all in 1 day with the season so close to starting.

[Sonic03snake]

What kind of turnout are you going to be looking at ya think? Will it be like a hot lap kind of day where we get a ton of runs in?
Not exactly sure, it probably depend on the format we go with.:thumbsup:

[wick]

I think like Glenn says, a show for some of the folks that dont come out so much and then probably some index racing.

[Sonic03snake]

I picked bracket racing but I did like the True street event at Columbus this year. I wouldn't want to do True street type index racing every week-end.

My personal opinion on an all Ford event is that it should include some kind of car show and some kind of test and tune for those who don't want to race at all. I think you might be able to pull some car show guys in that wouldn't otherwise come. You could even do some kind of line up and run thing like the Flashlight drags instead of test and tune. I don't how the FLD's did last year, but the year before we went twice and it was packed.

It's probably going to be rough trying to get several different racing venues going all in 1 day with the season so close to starting.:thumbsup: True street is really cool and doesn't require alot of track experience. Its also very cool to seel a caravan of cars parade out into the streets and then click off some nasty et's. I really think we can pull a big car count for this format.:thumbsup: We also talked of doing a tent/picnic for members and having a car show area.

[PaceFever79]

I vote true street. It's more fun for those that aren't hardcore racers. It can also make
some of the hot dogs break down on the cruise. Kind of makes things more interesting.
The drawback is that it takes more planning and organizing.

[1Badbird]

I like the idea of a car show with it. My Bird is defenately not set up for racing, unless there's some really slow pokes out there! LOL!!

[shockstang]

I personally want to race in a stoplight/flashlight drags type format. Since alot of us use our cars as daily/weekend dirivers, this type of race and possibly a car show would seem to me to draw the most people. I really like the cruise idea also.

[08snake]

I would say the fld's and show/cruise would bring out the most

[Killercanary]

True street would be fun but I think the permits/planning that would be needed along with volunteers to police the route would make it very hard to do.

I don't like bracket racing personally, but I'd do it none-the-less. the index would be my choice as it offers something different than the typical bracket racing every is used to.

I'm against the flashlight drag idea personally unless the timing system was functioning.

A car show is a must have. Its easy money for the site/track and gets a lot more people in attendance than a race only venue. This is why I always loved the NMRA/FFW events.

[Ares]

I like the Indexed heads up idea :goodidea:

[93FOX]

True street be pretty cool love to cruise, but flash light also be pretty fun
between them two i dont know:thumbsup:

[Balaska347]

I like the true street idea. The true street will be the same as the index racing with the 30 mile cruise correct? The show is kind of a win win situation though I think it will be a light turn out. I vote true street and also a open comp/bracket race class with a show. The stop light drags were tried last year, I believe and it seemed alot of guys didnt like it.

Greg Miller is a great guy and truely wants to make things better for the track from all aspects including the street/TNT guys. Things will take time though.

[Wolfpack Speed]

I voted for index but I think there needs to be more then 1 format. They bracket race every weekend @ PRP, time for something new. True street would get my vote for the additional format:goodidea:

[somethingclever]

While True Street appeals more to me, the Index racing would appeal to those who have track-only cars...increasing the turnout. Since I see a possible struggle with getting enough participants (that's a shame, but true), I vote Index.

[Stangman701]

I would like to do the FLD style with working timing equipment. I think that would bring out the most people.

[PaceFever79]

True Street is index racing. Trophies for; fast ET of the day and for 8.00 - 15.00 breaks.

The main difference from regular index racing; The Cars must be inspected and insured.
And no working on the cars is allowed after the cruise / index racing begins.

You could also give "best of show" trophies to add to the draw.

[racefan]

I would like to do the FLD style with working timing equipment. I think that would bring out the most people.

What you are talking about, is bracket racing.:)

[racefan]

I think true street would be the best show, but may take alot of people to pull it off. I have seen many true street races at the events we race at and they are just cool. Index racing would be my next pick, because you run cars that are in your time zone. Also need a car show side of it. I think we can pull it off if everyone comes and helps out.:thmbsup:

[White5.0]

I would like to do the FLD style with working timing equipment. I think that would bring out the most people.

i agree...FLD with the time equipment would be awesome!

[wick]

I was thinking. The cruise is a good idea. Some will participate in it, others might not. Now, for the racing, I think some kind of heads up grudge racing would probably be best. That way, you can run as much as you want and not get eliminated. If you want to run your buddy, so be it. Win or lose, its going to be fun. In that case, I am not sure how to vote. A bbq is a good idea also. I would kick in some cash to help make it happen. Food isnt free or cheap.

[93FOX]

I was thinking. The cruise is a good idea. Some will participate in it, others might not. Now, for the racing, I think some kind of heads up grudge racing would probably be best. That way, you can run as much as you want and not get eliminated. If you want to run your buddy, so be it. Win or lose, its going to be fun. In that case, I am not sure how to vote. A bbq is a good idea also. I would kick in some cash to help make it happen. Food isnt free or cheap.

X2 that be a blast

[wick]

I think this would attract the most and be the most fun. Getting eliminated really blows. Especially with a day like this.

[TooFast98Cobra]

why not just some heads up racing?

[PaceFever79]

Heads up racing is mostly luck of the draw, and who has the baddest ride. Which is fine if
you can draw a field of bad rides. Otherwise it's just making TT passes for the majority of
the field. True Street/Index racing will draw more participants and have more competition
making the event enjoyed by more participants. You still have "Low ET of the day" for the
hot dogs to fight over even with True Street/Index racing. The Index classes are basically
heads up racing that's broken down into 1 second classes.

[wick]

why not just some heads up racing?

Yeah, like what I said.

[Wolfpack Speed]

Heads up class based racing would never work for many different reasons. While true street is an index based format, it does not share the same rules or draw the same cars as your typical index class. Having both classes would help the car car count IMO.

[SK360]

What about a ford vs gm showdown? I think some of us LSx boys want a shot at the ford boys here.

[TooFast98Cobra]

What about a ford vs gm showdown? I think some of us LSx boys want a shot at the ford boys here.

yes now we are talking!!!

[CobraII]

What you are talking about, is bracket racing.:)

Not if it's heads up/fun runs/grudge runs. It's not bracket racing unless there are dial ins.

[CobraII]

I like the idea of a car show with it. My Bird is defenately not set up for racing, unless there's some really slow pokes out there! LOL!!

Just my opinion, but everything should be taken down the track at least once. And if it's consistent, try it on a race day in Trophy or Street! :thumbsup:

[CobraII]

I'm not surprised the bracket racing is at the bottom, even though I am a dyed in the wool bracket racer... as there are plenty of opportunities to bracket race throughout the season.

I voted for the True Street format. I think it would be awesome to see cars cruising up and down 22, then pull in and rip off a quick pass.

Index would be cool too, as would having a show/car cruise.

[PaceFever79]

Aren't "Showdowns" usually done in bracket racing format?

[GOT SVT]

true street

[SK360]

True street Ford vs GM heads up.

[Silverstang15]

do some heads up
make it like pinks
but every one to take about 6 cars with my V6

[biminiLX]

Lou, I think this is a great idea for a Ford/SCS event at PRP.
I think a combination car show/picnic, True Street race and index race would be the best for a good turnout and first event.
I voted True Street because thats what I personally like, but also because it would be cool for most of the guys on here (I'm assuming most guys here are more street car racers). Any registered/inspected car here could participate, they'd get the cool cruise (doesn't necessarily have to be a full 30 miles if easier on you to coordinate), and at least 3 guaranteed runs with prizes (even small) for each time group.
For the guys that have just race cars or don't want to do the cruise, they could do the index classes.
I think brackets can be run anytime out there and the FLD style doesn't interest me if we're at a real track.
Either way you decide to do it, I'd put it in my schedule so I don't miss it. If its end of summer, my car should be here too and I would really like to race it.
-J

[biminiLX]

Also, this Ford vs. GM/Mopar/Import idea is cool, but not sure how you'd make that work. I'd love to beat up on some non-Ford rides ;)
-J

[Slow01GT]

Also, this Ford vs. GM/Mopar/Import idea is cool, but not sure how you'd make that work. I'd love to beat up on some non-Ford rides ;)
-J

Ha I'd race ya just to see that bad boy run. I'm not much of a bracket racer but I like the idea of brackets to give the slower cars a chance. I also like the idea of some sort of heads-up grudge/fld type of racing as well.

[Silverstang15]

Ha I'd race ya just to see that bad boy run. I'm not much of a bracket racer but I like the idea of brackets to give the slower cars a chance. I also like the idea of some sort of heads-up grudge/fld type of racing as well.
come get this sixer

[biminiLX]

Your right, some extra grudge racing would be cool!
I want a piece of a certain modular Cobra going together near Robinson ;)
-J

[Martin0660]

I voted but will keep it to myself to not influence the poll.

Keep in mind however, vote for what you would show up for and participate in. For the time being, forget the logistics of what it might take to make it happen ;) What would get you to the track?

[Slow01GT]

come get this sixer
I will if I am allowed to play with the Ford guys

[93FOX]

please Come :goodidea:

[Balaska347]

Just my opinion but I would come for all of the except the stop light drags/ TNT. I have no interest in either one. But like I said Im speaking for myself.

[shockstang]

i agree...FLD with the time equipment would be awesome!

Yes, definitly with the timing equipment turned on and race as often as you can get in line.

[casper gt]

although I would rather bracket race myself, I voted for true street, with a stoplight format a close second, as in reality thats probubly what everyone would like to participate in. the main thing is to show up & participate in some way.

[pwtmxracing]

ive just heard that there will b 5 flds at wanesburgh this year.thank god something fun to do this year ...

[shockstang]

ive just heard that there will b 5 flds at wanesburgh this year.thank god something fun to do this year ...


I so hope that is not just a rumor. Not trying to threadjack, but where did you hear that?

[pwtmxracing]

[quote=shockstang;223942]I so hope that is not just a rumor. Not trying to threadjack, but where did you hear that?[/quote just keep checking their website :thmbsup:

[lib88stang]

True street or FLD's only if timing equip and 1/4mile

[TooFast98Cobra]

Your right, some extra grudge racing would be cool!
I want a piece of a certain modular Cobra going together near Robinson ;)
-J

talking bout me? I want some of you !!!! lol:hyper:

[Wolfpack Speed]

I know he isn't talking about me! He knows he will lose bad!!!!

[biminiLX]

I know he isn't talking about me! He knows he will lose bad!!!!
I was hoping you'd catch that :sticktonge:, and I'm your huckleberry :cool:
-J

[Wolfpack Speed]

Ok Johnny Ringo!

[AdamantiumSilvr]

I participated in the FLD's the last 3 years, and have ran a decent amount of TnT's plus a couple bracket races at PRP over the last few years too.

It doesn't really matter which we'd do as I'd be down for whatever. I like the idea of an all Ford show, but it'd be much better to let whoever participate.

I just want to see people run there cars, instead of talkin about it er sayin they will er their car runz this n that, ya know?!

[biminiLX]

Ok Johnny Ringo!
Exactly, great movie :thumbsup:
-J

[mr4teth]

I would like to do the FLD style with working timing equipment. I think that would bring out the most people.

Yep and maybe a little show for those who don't want to race.

[scott5]

who wants to race turbo buell?

[biminiLX]

If you let me stage first :)
-J

[scott5]

If you let me stage first :)
-J

How'd i know you would want to J.. as long as you dont spool up while im staging:sticktonge:

[biminiLX]

haha, baby steps. Gotta learn how to drive a car with an auto in it first ;)
-J

[shockstang]

who wants to race turbo buell?

I'll race a kid on a tricycle. I don't care, I just wanna race. Winter sucks.

[yeahloh95]

i think it would be cool if the show cars could make some passes also ,to show they had some go too

[gmkillr]

I voted index................:jump:

And since i'll be running N/A this year........
I'll take on any of you bitches that are N/A.....:sticktonge:
Maybe even whip up some power adder cars while im at it too.....:rofl:
Like the one posted above me......lol

[Balaska347]

I voted index................:jump:

And since i'll be running N/A this year........
I'll take on any of you bitches that are N/A.....:sticktonge:
Maybe even whip up some power adder cars while im at it too.....:rofl:
Like the one posted above me......lol


Ill take that challenge, you just better hope you have the 363 ready and not the 347 lol jk :sticktonge:.

[gmkillr]

Ill take that challenge, you just better hope you have the 363 ready and not the 347 lol jk :sticktonge:.


lmao!:rofl:

I would have taken my chances with my 347 against yours.......:rotflol:

:goodidea:

[yeahloh95]

sounds like a plan, i might have to bring both cars the boosted one and the new n/a combo

[bgblockelcamino]

voted true street style. granted i won't be able to run it since sounds like a ford event. but don't think PRP has had anything like that. also Memphis did not have police escort the second year we did the true street setup. granted there was less chaos with police escort. But people can hop on 22 go to blairsville and back would complete the cruise pretty easily without getting lost

[Sonic03snake]

voted true street style. granted i won't be able to run it since sounds like a ford event. but don't think PRP has had anything like that. also Memphis did not have police escort the second year we did the true street setup. granted there was less chaos with police escort. But people can hop on 22 go to blairsville and back would complete the cruise pretty easily without getting lost
All SCS members will be able to participate.:thumbsup:

[pwtmxracing]

i would like to run some true street events this year if i could cool my car better.

[vertstang73]

I voted for true street since my car in not a racer. I would love to see what the 408C can do. I think a show would help bring additional cars out.

Mike

[somethingclever]

I voted for true street since my car in not a racer. I would love to see what the 408C can do. I think a show would help bring additional cars out.

Mike


And I would love to see what it would do as well....if memory serves, you have a stout 408C deal there. :thumbsup:

I would enjoy seeing some old-school action.

Better bring some sticky tires......

[lib88stang]

Lou, set a date up so I have something to look forward to this summer

[Sonic03snake]

Lou, set a date up so I have something to look forward to this summer
We have a date in mind, just waiting on the go ahead from the guys @ PRP.:thumbsup:

[Sonic03snake]

Well, I talked to Greg at the WOW show this weekend and the decision is to make it a true street format. The date is August 15th and will be an all make event. This is the same day as the King of the streets race. Both Greg and everyone else who sat down and talked all feel the Ford only deal would be hard to pull off. I myself think its a great idea to make it an open event, the more cars cars we get to show up, the better chance there will be more "Street Car" events.:thumbsup: Ill let everyone know more details as things evolve.

[somethingclever]

Thanks for taking the initiative to get this rolling Lou!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sonic03snake]

Thanks for taking the initiative to get this rolling Lou!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, thanks to Chuck (Cobra II), Larry (Casper GT) and Bob (Martin0660). They were there to work out the ideas too.:thumbsup:

[Sonic03snake]

Maybe we can even get Russ (PSP STANG) to lead the pack with his HWY patrol car?:thumbsup:

[somethingclever]

Also, thanks to Chuck (Cobra II), Larry (Casper GT) and Bob (Martin0660). They were there to work out the ideas too.:thumbsup:

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


Maybe we can even get Russ (PSP STANG) to lead the pack with his HWY patrol car?:thumbsup:

Cool idea.....:thmbsup::thmbsup:

[PaxtonShelby]

This really sounds like a great time Lou. Thanks for all the effort! :goodidea:

[Balaska347]

Maybe we can even get Russ (PSP STANG) to lead the pack with his HWY patrol car?:thumbsup:

That would be really cool :thumbsup:

[pwtmxracing]

Well, I talked to Greg at the WOW show this weekend and the decision is to make it a true street format. The date is August 15th and will be an all make event. This is the same day as the King of the streets race. Both Greg and everyone else who sat down and talked all feel the Ford only deal would be hard to pull off. I myself think its a great idea to make it an open event, the more cars cars we get to show up, the better chance there will be more "Street Car" events.:thumbsup: Ill let everyone know more details as things evolve.
sweet lou u are the man i cant wait ... maybe this will quiet a lot of the its not a street car crying :thmbsup:

[CobraII]

Glad to help out any way I can, Lou. I think this will be a really cool event. Good seeing you Saturday.

And I'm pretty sure King of Street class will be required to do the cruise too. I'll verify that with Greg.

[biminiLX]

Definitely thanks for working on a race like this, nice meeting you Sat. too.

And I'm pretty sure King of Street class will be required to do the cruise too. I'll verify that with Greg.
I'd hope so, hard to crown a King of Street without making the cruise.
-J

[pwtmxracing]

Glad to help out any way I can, Lou. I think this will be a really cool event. Good seeing you Saturday.

And I'm pretty sure King of Street class will be required to do the cruise too. I'll verify that with Greg.
i think king of the street should b a heads up class that hase to do the cruise also ..just my two cents

[Sonic03snake]

Well, once again I thought I was doing some good for the car community by taking an invite from Larry (CasperGT) to meet with Greg and the guys from PRP to discuss a Ford track day. Larry called me several times and we decided to meet at cracker barrel @ 7am the day we are to meet with the guys at the track to basically come up with a plan to have a ford event at the track this year. At the meeting we all talked our ideas over and put some notes down for the evening. My idea was to do an index format to make it something everyone would have a shot at winning regardless of the et their car runs, Bob (Martin0660) liked the quick 16 race and mentioned the true street idea, larry was more interested in a bracket format which we all know not many guys from here would show up for.

Well, once we meet for dinner, he Greg mentions he wants us to have the event the same day as the king of streets, an all vehicle make event. After a few hours of discussion, Greg says the true street format sounds the most appealing and he could make the king of the streets guys go on the cruise with us and then go back to their own race upon completing the cruise. He also asked that we put up a feeler thread to see what reaction we get as far as to what would make every one come and participate, hense this thread and poll. He was also concearned about car count and I made the remark that if the event was open to all makes it would not concearn me. After all, I just want to see our home track do things other than the sat bracket program. If the true street thing is a success, they will be more open to other event ideas. After a few weeks go by, I see Greg at World of Wheels and he tells me the true street event is on the schedule and it will be an all make event. Fine with me, I come home and post an update.

Fast forward to yesterday, I get a PM from a friend that states Larry is over on UGH talking crap on me and others for rail roading him on his idea and stealing his thunder and I was only asked to the event to be a sponsor (Because I work @ Laurel Mountain). I just don't get it, this is exactly why I don't put partys or events together here anymore, im always the asshole.

[casper gt]

you were asked to help sponsor an event, if you read through this thread, anyone who was involved with this can see the problem IMO. this was not to be a mixed brand event, a SCS event or anything else. this was to be a Ford event. I realise that most people involved were willing to comprimise on this but I wasn't & let's not forget that I called you not the other way around. I would have been much happier to just walk away from it than to have it turn into this. I did not spend half of the winter (I aproched Greg about this event when he took the track over last year) working on trying to put this together to have it be a mixed brand event & again if everyone would have walked away from it when the plans fell through then we wouldn't be here. I think it's pretty low to try & turn this all around & bash me for speaking my mind on a subject that in the end you were not even that deeply involved with. did I call to seek your help with sponsoring an event & to discuss some ideas? yes. did I ask you to have an equal part in it? no. you took that on yourself.

[Sonic03snake]

Your completely right about some of what you posted here, it was meant to be a Ford event. You did call me but asked me to come to your meeting and never mentioned anything about sponsorship. We met in the morning to go over ideas and that is what we did. Then handed all of our ideas to Greg and HE made the decision, not me or Bob. No body talked to him after the meeting. It was then requested the idea be posted here, who got elected to do that? Me, why just a sponsor would have to take care of that is beyond me? You just walk away? You started all this with a thread over on UGH? I had no idea you were mad until then and you didn't return any PM until today. Where did I bash you? I was just dumbfounded you said nothing to me or Bob and then posted over there. A little communication on your part would have gone along way. Just because your idea (wich I think was a good one) didn;t work out, you took it out on the people who were there to help? Not sure why but I guess it doesn't matter, you blamed it all on me.:rolleyes:


you were asked to help sponsor an event, if you read through this thread, anyone who was involved with this can see the problem IMO. this was not to be a mixed brand event, a SCS event or anything else. this was to be a Ford event. I realise that most people involved were willing to comprimise on this but I wasn't & let's not forget that I called you not the other way around. I would have been much happier to just walk away from it than to have it turn into this. I did not spend half of the winter (I aproched Greg about this event when he took the track over last year) working on trying to put this together to have it be a mixed brand event & again if everyone would have walked away from it when the plans fell through then we wouldn't be here. I think it's pretty low to try & turn this all around & bash me for speaking my mind on a subject that in the end you were not even that deeply involved with. did I call to seek your help with sponsoring an event & to discuss some ideas? yes. did I ask you to have an equal part in it? no. you took that on yourself.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

I actually started the thread over there about this event, sorry. I honestly didn't want it to turn into a bunch of BS, but just ta have a great day of racin! I'm actually lookin forward to this event. And really hope everythings works out. No need to have a pi$$in fight over the whole thing. Um sure there's alot people who r truely appreciating the fact that u guyz r really tryin to make a great event happen! Thanx guyz for real thou.

[Sonic03snake]

I'm actually lookin forward to this event. And really hope everythings works out. No need to have a pi$$in fight over the whole thing. Um sure there's alot people who r truely appreciating the fact that u guyz r really tryin to make a great event happen! Thanx guyz for real thou.
Thanks!!! I hope everyone can come, regardless of what board your on. There are a few people out there who feel they need to make it an us vs them deal and it screws it up for everyone else.:thumbsup:

[scott5]

I dont see why it just had to be a ford event? To tell you the truth, most the ford guys i know wouldnt probably even go if it was just a ford event.. I just dont see what the big deal is between Ford and a gm and a dodge etc etc.... A fast car is a fast car, a street car is a street car.. thats why there is a bigger turnout out at NMCA races than a NMRA race..

[casper gt]

I dont see why it just had to be a ford event? To tell you the truth, most the ford guys i know wouldnt probably even go if it was just a ford event.. I just dont see what the big deal is between Ford and a gm and a dodge etc etc.... A fast car is a fast car, a street car is a street car.. thats why there is a bigger turnout out at NMCA races than a NMRA race..

it was to be a Ford event because that was the whole point of it. I had no intrest in a mixed brand event which is why we are where we are now. again I initiated this event, NO ONE ELSE, I brought some people in to help & it backfired into this. if you want a mixed brand event, they have them every weekend, there called regular race days & I don't see any of the people who feel the need to put their 2 cents into this discussion at any of them.

[casper gt]

All SCS members will be able to participate.:thumbsup:

perfect example of how this got out of control, I was never contacted about this at all.

[casper gt]

Also, thanks to Chuck (Cobra II), Larry (Casper GT) and Bob (Martin0660). They were there to work out the ideas too.:thumbsup:

again another example, there to work out ideas? there would have been no meeting if it wasn't for me, period.

[Sonic03snake]

it was to be a Ford event because that was the whole point of it. I had no intrest in a mixed brand event which is why we are where we are now. again I initiated this event, NO ONE ELSE, I brought some people in to help & it backfired into this. if you want a mixed brand event, they have them every weekend, there called regular race days & I don't see any of the people who feel the need to put their 2 cents into this discussion at any of them.


Larry, your obviously upset but was it better to have an event or none at all? I don't care much for the sat bracket program along with the majority of the guys on this board so I don't go. Hot rodding is about the people and getting together, who cares what you drive? Maybe your comunications with me were not as clear as your thought they were? I was under the asumption that the event was going to be an all ford event hosted by us "steelcitystangs" but you telling a different story now. If it was your deal and you wanted to "run the show", you should have called me after the date and details were set, then talk of this "sponsor deal".

[Sonic03snake]

again another example, there to work out ideas? there would have been no meeting if it wasn't for me, period.
? Someone thanked me, just wanted to be sure everyone else knew I was not the only one behind this. If you would have taken the initiative to post this thread no one would have mentioned me at all. Werent we all there to work out the ideas?

[Sonic03snake]

perfect example of how this got out of control, I was never contacted about this at all.
Once again, I was under the asumption that this was to be hosted by Steelcitystangs. Would it be right to turn away guys who are members here based on the car they drive? Not in my opinion.

[casper gt]

Larry, your obviously upset but was it better to have an event or none at all? I don't care much for the sat bracket program along with the majority of the guys on this board so I don't go. Hot rodding is about the people and getting together, who cares what you drive? Maybe your comunications with me were not as clear as your thought they were? I was under the asumption that the event was going to be an all ford event hosted by us "steelcitystangs" but you telling a different story now. If it was your deal and you wanted to "run the show", you should have called me after the date and details were set, then talk of this "sponsor deal".

I would have contacted you after the fact, but going into this I though we were freinds & that your input would be valueable. also IMO I would rather have no event than comprimise on the Ford thing. I don't get how I'm telling a diffrent story, you just said it was to be a Ford event hosted by SCS.

[Sonic03snake]

I would have contacted you after the fact, but going into this I though we were freinds & that your input would be valueable. also IMO I would rather have no event than comprimise on the Ford thing. I don't get how I'm telling a diffrent story, you just said it was to be a Ford event hosted by SCS.
My point in the 1st place was that Greg did not give us an all Ford Day and the cruise was going to be shared by the KOTS guys so why not just make it an open event to be sure it was a success. Then have Greg commit to our own Ford day with no one else next year. he said there was no other options this year, the calandar was full. You as a regular racer should support anything that makes the track money and keeps the doors open and leaves money for more improvements. If the track doesn't make money, you will be driving elsewhere to race. Like I said, I had no intension of taking anything away from what you had going, just shared my opinion as to what would make the event work. Why are you so against other makes being there? You used to be an olds guy, right?

[casper gt]

My point in the 1st place was that Greg did not give us an all Ford Day and the cruise was going to be shared by the KOTS guys so why not just make it an open event to be sure it was a success. Then have Greg commit to our own Ford day with no one else next year. he said there was no other options this year, the calandar was full. You as a regular racer should support anything that makes the track money and keeps the doors open and leaves money for more improvements. If the track doesn't make money, you will be driving elsewhere to race. Like I said, I had no intension of taking anything away from what you had going, just shared my opinion as to what would make the event work. Why are you so against other makes being there? You used to be an olds guy, right?
the main reason I was wanting a Ford event only is (not to sound like a dick, but it's reality) because I was doing 99% of the work to make it happen & thats why I was doing it (ie. to have a Ford event at PRP) I really don't see a problem there. when we left the meeting there seemed like there was still a chance of while not just a Ford event, a program that had a Ford part to it. If Greg would have sat down & said "there's no chance of any kinda Ford event of any type at PRP this year", that would have been fine, we could have been done with it right there & had a nice dinner & moved on. again let get realistic, I made every plan, made every phone call, sent every pm, hell even made the diner reservations, so how can a rational person think it could be changed from an event I wanted & worked so hard for & me not be pissed?

[Sonic03snake]

the main reason I was wanting a Ford event only is (not to sound like a dick, but it's reality) because I was doing 99% of the work to make it happen & thats why I was doing it (ie. to have a Ford event at PRP) I really don't see a problem there. when we left the meeting there seemed like there was still a chance of while not just a Ford event, a program that had a Ford part to it. If Greg would have sat down & said "there's no chance of any kinda Ford event of any type at PRP this year", that would have been fine, we could have been done with it right there & had a nice dinner & moved on. again let get realistic, I made every plan, made every phone call, sent every pm, hell even made the diner reservations, so how can a rational person think it could be changed from an event I wanted & worked so hard for & me not be pissed?


No body has denied you started the whole plan right up till the meeting. You said yourself, you asked me there for input and thats what I gave. If you said to greg, lets do it next year, I would have been glad to help in what ever way you asked. You asked me along, I gave my input, Greg made the decision on his own after the meeting. Not sure why I became the punching bag?

[casper gt]

No body has denied you started the whole plan right up till the meeting. You said yourself, you asked me there for input and thats what I gave. If you said to greg, lets do it next year, I would have been glad to help in what ever way you asked. You asked me along, I gave my input, Greg made the decision on his own after the meeting. Not sure why I became the punching bag?

the reason I have made the statements I have over the last week or so is because I handle most things in a stand up /straight forward way. if a friend asks for help on a project, while I make shure not to overstep my bounds, it becomes my project. his goals become my goals, his wants become my wants. if a friend asked me to help organize a red car event for example, I would NEVER take it upon myself to include blue cars without asking him first. I feel that if you would have contacted me to state your feelings as to this event going badly rather than taking it upon yourself to include all makes/etc, this would have all been avoided. but was NEVER contacted untill I needed to make my feelings known, how fair is that?

[Sonic03snake]

the reason I have made the statements I have over the last week or so is because I handle most things in a stand up /straight forward way. if a friend asks for help on a project, while I make shure not to overstep my bounds, it becomes my project. his goals become my goals, his wants become my wants. if a friend asked me to help organize a red car event for example, I would NEVER take it upon myself to include blue cars without asking him first. I feel that if you would have contacted me to state your feelings as to this event going badly rather than taking it upon yourself to include all makes/etc, this would have all been avoided. but was NEVER contacted untill I needed to make my feelings known, how fair is that?
I guess im done here, you must have been looking for your 15 minutes of fame here and it didn't work out the way you wanted to so now its time to lay the blame elsewhere. It couldn't have been your poor communication skills? na, it was that ****in Lou and his big mouth who brain washed Greg. If I want something done a ceartain way i do it myself. If ask other people to help, it becomes a team effort. You came to me and asked for my opinions and for the last time, I didn't make the decision to change it. Greg did. Your not mad at him because he is the manager of the track you race at. Your not bad mouthing Bob because you guys were buddies. Who's left? Me.

[casper gt]

I guess im done here, you must have been looking for your 15 minutes of fame here and it didn't work out the way you wanted to so now its time to lay the blame elsewhere. It couldn't have been your poor communication skills? na, it was that ****in Lou and his big mouth who brain washed Greg. If I want something done a ceartain way i do it myself. If ask other people to help, it becomes a team effort. You came to me and asked for my opinions and for the last time, I didn't make the decision to change it. Greg did. Your not mad at him because he is the manager of the track you race at. Your not bad mouthing Bob because you guys were buddies. Who's left? Me.

I'm done here as well. before I go the reason Bob & Greg are left outta this is because they never said anything publicly, it has nothing to do with friends or buisness, I always have & I always will say whats on my mind regaurdless of the consiquences, good or bad.

[AdamantiumSilvr]

I was wanderin if at all possible something like the True Street class could be the all Ford and all SCS crew. Stagin in the street lanes.

And the King Of the Street mixed makes/models er whoever else could be stagein in the slick lanes.

U could set up n have grudge matches between both in a certain lane or the bike lanes if u wanted too.

Maybe have runoffs from each class mixin KOS and TS up in the semis and finals.

It would be kinda like NMRA/NMCA, however they would run each other in their events. Not that I actually know the rules and how they set up and run their events. Um just kinda throwin some random thinkins out n about. Don't just be done with it, unite n make something work out for sure!!

This way its all good in the hood for all and we could just have some good ole racing goin on. Duke it out on the strip ya know?

[wick]

the reason I have made the statements I have over the last week or so is because I handle most things in a stand up /straight forward way.




Fast forward to yesterday, I get a PM from a friend that states Larry is over on UGH talking crap on me and others for rail roading him on his idea and stealing his thunder and I was only asked to the event to be a sponsor (Because I work @ Laurel Mountain).

I may be out of place here but I really cant let this go. I understand its not my place but... These two posts speak for themselvs. So, how is this a stand up method? Is it something new, like a new way of being stand up? If so,m I would really like to know. I dont know you and dont really care but some of the things you stated here are really childish and outlandish. Please grow up. Its almost like grammar school stuff here. Now I understand why Lou does not like to organize parties or anything else. Sorry to interrupt the dispute here. Carry on...

[wick]

I was wanderin if at all possible something like the True Street class could be the all Ford and all SCS crew. Stagin in the street lanes.

And the King Of the Street mixed makes/models er whoever else could be stagein in the slick lanes.

U could set up n have grudge matches between both in a certain lane or the bike lanes if u wanted too.

Maybe have runoffs from each class mixin KOS and TS up in the semis and finals.

It would be kinda like NMRA/NMCA, however they would run each other in their events. Not that I actually know the rules and how they set up and run their events. Um just kinda throwin some random thinkins out n about. Don't just be done with it, unite n make something work out for sure!!

This way its all good in the hood for all and we could just have some good ole racing goin on. Duke it out on the strip ya know?

Give it up son, probably not going to happen now. Probably better off driving an extra 45 minutes to Quaker city. Honestly, I would not be suprised to see this get locked and forgotten about due to the childish BS from the Casper fella. If I were him I would be honored that somebody like Lou is helping out with it as much as he is/did.

[scott5]

Brent the NMCA is the combination of ALL makes and models

[Sonic03snake]

The big concearn with Greg was turn out. We have about 250 unique members who visit here on a daily basis and the chances of even half making the event for what ever reason would be a miracle. That is why he put our event in with the KOTS day. The track is a business and they didn't want to chance a flop day the 1st time around. I can respect that and im just glad to see them trying something different and will do what ever I can to support them. Maybe next year we can do an all SCS day or something like that.:thumbsup:


I was wanderin if at all possible something like the True Street class could be the all Ford and all SCS crew. Stagin in the street lanes.

And the King Of the Street mixed makes/models er whoever else could be stagein in the slick lanes.

U could set up n have grudge matches between both in a certain lane or the bike lanes if u wanted too.

Maybe have runoffs from each class mixin KOS and TS up in the semis and finals.

It would be kinda like NMRA/NMCA, however they would run each other in their events. Not that I actually know the rules and how they set up and run their events. Um just kinda throwin some random thinkins out n about. Don't just be done with it, unite n make something work out for sure!!

This way its all good in the hood for all and we could just have some good ole racing goin on. Duke it out on the strip ya know?

[Wolfpack Speed]

I'm done here as well. before I go the reason Bob & Greg are left outta this is because they never said anything publicly, it has nothing to do with friends or buisness, I always have & I always will say whats on my mind regaurdless of the consiquences, good or bad.

Larry,

You have completely blown this way out of proportion. I know you are frustrated that "your event" didn't work out, but don't act like your life's work was yanked out from underneath you by Lou or anyone else. You made some phone calls and beat some ears, Greg made his decision and thats the end of it. Lou did absolutely nothing wrong and your posts in this thread clearly show that. You pulled the same back stabbing crap on me last year, now your on here doing the same thing to Lou:rolleyes:

[wick]

Larry,

You have completely blown this way out of proportion. I know you are frustrated that "your event" didn't work out, but don't act like your life's work was yanked out from underneath you by Lou or anyone else. You made some phone calls and beat some ears, Greg made his decision and thats the end of it. Lou did absolutely nothing wrong and your posts in this thread clearly show that. You pulled the same back stabbing crap on me last year, now your on here doing the same thing to Lou:rolleyes:


I should add this into my post too as well... Up front huh?

[Wolfpack Speed]

I should add this into my post too as well... Up front huh?

I'm not trying to be a d$ck, I'm just amazed at how quickly people will turn their back on you when there is a little bump in the road:rolleyes: A little communication goes a long way, you cant fix or solve a problem if you don't know it exists! 99% of my customers and the members here are stand up people, it's the 1% of boneheads that drive me nuts!

[wick]

I'm not trying to be a d$ck, I'm just amazed at how quickly people will turn their back on you when there is a little bump in the road:rolleyes: A little communication goes a long way, you cant fix or solve a problem if you don't know it exists! 99% of my customers and the members here are stand up people, it's the 1% of boneheads that drive me nuts!

I understand. Same here...

[AdamantiumSilvr]

...u r correct. I was just sayin the KOTS portion could be like the NMCA. Just having it be the mixed up class.


Brent the NMCA is the combination of ALL makes and models

[casper gt]

you guys are missing something the problem here is not with Greg. we knew from the begining that this event would be added to the KOS event & that was ok as it was to be a KOS/Ford event (ie. KOS would have their own lanes, the Ford cars would have their own lanes) . that wasn't the problem, the problem arose when every one was invited & I wasn't consulted for my opinion on it. the supporters/sponsors I had lined up backed out the second they were advised it would be a mixed brand event. had we talked about it (ie. Lou & myself not everyone who feels the need to put their 2 cents in now & have no idea what went on or what their talking about) & Lou would have made his feelings known to me that he thought the Ford thing was out of the question BEFORE posting on here that it was open to everyone, we could have worked it out ourselves & not be here right now. thats why I stated that things weren't handled in a stand up way, once Lou made the decision to post on here that all brands/members were welcome the damage was done & even stiil I was content to move on untill it came up on the other website & I had had enough.
wick, you dont know me or all the details of what happened here & IMO should mind your own buisness.
Mike, as far as me stabbing you in the back, we had a vendor/comsumer relationship & when a person feels the product they recieved is not to their liking, it's not the responsibility of the consumer to advise the vendor of anything, there's nothing wrong with feeling you didn't get what you paid for & telling the people you know about the service (good or bad).

[casper gt]

the reason I have made the statements I have over the last week or so is because I handle most things in a stand up /straight forward way. if a friend asks for help on a project, while I make shure not to overstep my bounds, it becomes my project. his goals become my goals, his wants become my wants. if a friend asked me to help organize a red car event for example, I would NEVER take it upon myself to include blue cars without asking him first. I feel that if you would have contacted me to state your feelings as to this event going badly rather than taking it upon yourself to include all makes/etc, this would have all been avoided. but was NEVER contacted untill I needed to make my feelings known, how fair is that?

just in case anyone missed it this is the whole post that wick decided to use out of context to his own benifit.

[Sonic03snake]

Larry, its pretty aparent your missing a few chromosomes and I think everyone here can tell. You have major communication issues and it really makes you look stupid. I guess I kinda feel bad for you, you don't even have a clue.

[Sonic03snake]

Also, how many times are you changing your story around to make it my fault? Have some balls and admit your acting like a 3rd grader.

[casper gt]

Larry, its pretty aparent your missing a few chromosomes and I think everyone here can tell. You have major communication issues and it really makes you look stupid. I guess I kinda feel bad for you, you don't even have a clue.

I forgot you walk on water to some of these guys & their always gonna take your side. pretty strange that the people that know ALL the details are pretty quiet. everyone I know that has read this post or knows the details of this has other things to say........but wait they cant, 'cause you've already banned everyone from this site that dosen't agree with you, I forgot.

[Sonic03snake]

I forgot you walk on water to some of these guys & their always gonna take your side. pretty strange that the people that know ALL the details are pretty quiet. everyone I know that has read this post or knows the details of this has other things to say........but wait they cant, 'cause you've already banned everyone from this site that dosen't agree with you, I forgot.
Here we go again, work the us vs them in there. People like you are the reason there is so much division anymore. The truth is you have no balls and can't be a man and talk about your issues, you go to another board to start crap hoping to start a war over there. Timmy and I don't get along very well but I have more respect for him than to go over there and shit up his board. Him and I have discussed this in the past few days.

[Sonic03snake]

everyone I know that has read this post or knows the details of this has other things to say........but wait they cant, 'cause you've already banned everyone from this site that dosen't agree with you, I forgot.
Theres only 5 people on the ban list that are on the new site, im sure there are more here who do not like me who are not banned.:thumbsup:

[mlowry1260]

Lou,

you have more patience than I ever would to put up with this non-sense...

[Sonic03snake]

Lou,

you have more patience than I ever would to put up with this non-sense...
I hear ya, Mark. I seem to be a magnet for morons. All this BS over an event to bring people together.

[wick]

I forgot you walk on water to some of these guys & their always gonna take your side. pretty strange that the people that know ALL the details are pretty quiet. everyone I know that has read this post or knows the details of this has other things to say........but wait they cant, 'cause you've already banned everyone from this site that dosen't agree with you, I forgot.

I wont continue to stoop to your level but I will add this, I dont take sides. Look at my user title, I have been banned from here quite a few times. I dont always agree with Lou. Trust me, but he also knows it when I dont. No run arounds. Some shit gets deleted before he gets to see it by other mods I assume but he still gets to know. I call him. No big deal. Perhaps you should do the same. Interwebz fighting is the stupidist thing.


Theres only 5 people on the ban list that are on the new site, im sure there are more here who do not like me who are not banned.:thumbsup:

Been there. HAHAHA

[Sonic03snake]

I wont continue to stoop to your level but I will add this, I dont take sides. Look at my user title, I have been banned from here quite a few times. I dont always agree with Lou. Trust me, but he also knows it when I dont. No run arounds. Some shit gets deleted before he gets to see it by other mods I assume but he still gets to know. I call him. No big deal. Perhaps you should do the same. Interwebz fighting is the stupidist thing.



Been there. HAHAHA
Wick, we have had our differences in the past but have always worked them out. Thats what men do.:thumbsup:

[wick]

Wick, we have had our differences in the past but have always worked them out. Thats what men do.:thumbsup:

Yeppers. Exactly what should happen here. As I say though, I just call it how I see it. I dont know casper, never heard of him. Not trying to start shit. Just the obvious things being said here.

[2stangs]

it should be an all manufacture welcome event with the flg floormat & carshow.you would have a real good turn out.

[Wolfpack Speed]

Mike, as far as me stabbing you in the back, we had a vendor/comsumer relationship & when a person feels the product they recieved is not to their liking, it's not the responsibility of the consumer to advise the vendor of anything, there's nothing wrong with feeling you didn't get what you paid for & telling the people you know about the service (good or bad).

Larry,

No matter what I say or do, some people you just cant make happy and I accept that. I don't have a problem with a customer sharing their experience or opinion about me or my shop. However, there is a right and wrong way but you already know that right Larry?


the reason I have made the statements I have over the last week or so is becauseI handle most things in a stand up /straight forward way

What I will not accept is someone who inspects, approves and praises my work, only to change their mind MONTHS later and bitch about it to eveyone else but me. Thats a real stand up /straight forward way of handling things Larry:rolleyes:

Your bad business Larry, thats why I refuse to work on your car and ignore your calls...

[Sonic03snake]

This thread is pretty much ruined, time to close it up. Im going to start a fresh one.:thumbsup: